Out of the EU? (just for fun)

A good point -Ukip could cease to exist.

Thanks*trisher*, I am sure there will be many serious threads on the implications in the months to come, so here goes:

My MP's wife may well be deported.
Our relatives who live in France (and those who are planning to) will come home - what about my holidays?
Will spaghetti bolognaise be banned?

I dont get why people living here already from other countries would have to leave, if we left the EU.
Where is that idea coming from?

Have you read the EU law? It mentions that visas could be introduced and there will be a lot more border control. The Shengen agreement is likely to affect us - non EU passport holders do need a visa to visit an EU country even if they are married to a Brit! Our DiL has needed to get one to visit us this week. They had to travel to London to get it - it was reasonably easy when they got there as they did have all the necessary paperwork and it cost £29.
I just wonder if we may be too complacent and maybe the worst case scenarios should be considered - the rest of Europe could metaphorically take the hump if we pull out and make life difficult all round. We have got used to being able to work/ live in lots of places but that right would no longer be automatic. Non EU residents do have a limited amount time they are allowed to reside in any country even if they have property in the country. It is very difficult to get visas etc to live and work in USA - would not like it to happen to our youngsters here - it is their future we need to consider too.

Sorry Durhamjen if you feel I was being flippant. In one way I am, but I know we are going to get a whole load of information thrown at us, which I will try to understand, and that for all of us there are ties with the EU countries which we take for granted and maybe i wanted everyone to look at their own situation and what will happen.
On a lighter note- the ex-pats coming home -hadn't thought of that, but they will all live down south where the weather is better won't they? The price of a bungalow in Bournemouth will go through the roof!!!

And now, on the news this morning, comes the EU proposition that each member state take a quota of the refugees who are flooding onto Italy. (If the poor souls make it there, that is. )

I can see the headlines - in fact "The Times" headline today is "Brussels forces Britain to accept Med migrants"

It will certainly feed the anti immigration AND the anti EU lobby, and I am sure that it will affect the results of any referendum.

I do not think we should leave the EU; there is safety in numbers and we are in no state to go it alone.

We wouldn't need visas to travel to the EU - didn't need them before membership of the EEC.

Would all those countries really not want UK tourists?

Would trade between a seceded UK and the EU be so very difficult, red tape, etc?

We currently easily trade with Norway & Switzerland - those countries having agreements with the EU.

The UK is a big market - we buy more than we sell.

Even as it stands now with or without any changes the difference it will make to UK should be spelt out - it seems people with British people could need visas to visit any EU country - as we are not part of this Shengen agreement and would need one for each country. All sorts of things. It is too glib to just say ir costs us money - money does come back and The EU does look at and decide the less well off areas which need assistance of any sort. Here in France many of the roads gets some EU funding and it is clearly shown with all other areas of the project funding whereas I never noticed that in Wales to anything like the same degree. I was quite surprised with some projects to see the EU had given grants as not really publicised.
A lot of information needs to be clearly put to be understood by all the population both the good and bad points so a balanced view is more easily gained.

If we were to secede from the EU - what would our newspapers have to lie about then?

And of course all this was clearly spelled out before the election wasn't it?

Jane - I'm reading more and more stories like yours. Plus some European companies are already holding back on planned investment here because of the uncertainty that will now last until late 2017. In the meantime, other countries are working to attract this investment instead. Then there are all the grants and help that go to our poor regions - any Welsh/ Cornish GNers can inform us here. The chair of the 1922 committee told DC yesterday that they want Members of the cabinet who are anti to be able to speak out. DC is taking a real gamble with all this - that he will get concessions and so argue for a yes vote. Now what did Major call the anti- Europeans? Well they still are and they are still there. There will be blood on the carpet and tears before bedtime

DH's business would be severely affected. He'd probably have to close down in fact as trying to negotiate the red tape there would inevitably have to be would be so complicated and pricing accordingly would put them out of business. Its only a small one but jobs would be lost and also there would be a knock on effect on the other local small businesses who they buy from. Not light hearted at all.

As many of you know, I am often flippant on serious subjects, I have tried to reform .
The subject of Europe is a very serious one, IMO most (not all) of us, including myself do not understand the full implications of withdrawing/staying from Europe on industry, financial sector, investments etc etc. I have read various articles explaining the situation, but I am just as ignorant, I am not an accountant or economist, I am an engineer. I hope that each side of the argument will make it clearer when the decision is to be made, but I fear it will be clouded with bias from all sides and many of us will still be in the dark.

I have a personal view, based on what I think are the facts, but I don't propose to declare or discuss that view, as it is irrelevant to this post and I am very unsure of my knowledge atm.

jen if you look on the European laws site and what could happen it does not go into what each party person says etc but how the actual European LAW stands and how that could impact on UK if we did withdraw etc and how it would impact on the people living in UK and also Brits living and working in the EU. It really comes down to what is the legal position which will impact on us and that is the point after all the hype.

The cost of a cleaning lady will double to £20 an hour.

And who will serve me in bars and restaurants?

What will happen with state pensions? It was because of an EU ruling that ex-pat Brits who live in EU countries are entitled to the annual increases that Brits who live in Britain have. If there is a no vote and Britain withdraws from the EU, will they then find themselves with frozen state pension for the rest of their lives – and no access to the NHS, if it still exists? I suppose that's not funny either.

Sorry just spotted the title of the thread

I think Trisher has highlighted a real problem, that most people, myself included, don't have the faintest clue what the real implications of leaving Europe would be.
I would vote to stay in, based on a wishy-washy feeling of being part of a wider European history and culture, and a vague assumption that in a global economy we need to be part of a bigger unit. I think our exporters would suffer, and regions like the North-East which have had a lot of European money in the last 25 years, would suffer too.
I wouldn't go as far as a Federal Europe, and I don't want us to be part of the Eurozone. The balance between individual member states' autonomy, and co-operation within the community is a hard one to get right, but we have to hope our government will work for the right balance between protecting our interests while co-operating with other member states.

I'm glad that my particular (Tory)MP feels the same way as I do, but I do hope there's a determined effort to inform the public as clearly and comprehensively as possible as to what exactly would be the consequences of a 'Brexit'.

Passports will have to replaced as although current ones bear the words "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland", they also bear the words "European Union". What do new passports cost these days?

I might lose my nice German GP. My DD may have to come back to the UK but that is not too bad. I resisted the urge to place my millions in Switzerland so that is one less worry

Here's another link about European law, from the same site.

fullfact.org/law/conservative-party-bill-of-rights-39308/

Bez, there's a very interesting section on Full Fact about Europe.

fullfact.org/europe/

Yes.

Is Gransnet totally sinking in the mire?