Out of the EU? (just for fun)

I have only one real concern, how much will everything cost! Look at how expensive it is to live in Norway. My nephew lives there he can tell you!

The amount of money it will cost us to leave.

Ooohhh - hadn't thought about the duty free issue < writes down another reason to vote to stay in>

Where will we put all the British people who are thrown out of Spain and France etc?

Longer queues at passport control when entering European countries

The idea of leaving the EU is no fun. We should not pretend otherwise. It's far more serious.

Yes indeed. Let doom and gloom abound!

DJ. - we know it is but we have been very serious all weekend and I was quite grateful to Trisher for this thread - I guess she was also being sort of ironic - it's so awfully serious that I can hardly believe it might well happen. It is funny really to pretend you are concerned about your duty free allowance when you are really aghast at the prospect of leaving and know that there are people who really really want to. Don't be cross with us please - it's been a tough few days

What will happen to my son's Danish partner, and her children, one of whom has to have a Danish passport, even though his younger sister is now allowed to have a British one? My other son's wife is Spanish, but she will be okay as she is married to him.
My son's partner feels very upset at the way she hears people talking about people who move over here and take jobs from British people. She could have been teaching your children without you knowing it as she has no trace of a Scandinavian accent. For the first time in over twenty years she has been talking of perhaps moving back to Denmark, as she does not feel welcome here by the British people.
So have your fun, but I will not join in.

I googled ' European law and hat happens if UK leavesEU' found an interesting artićle about European Law and the three main scenarios if we left. I could not find a link - interesting reading and gives a good idea.

Is Gransnet totally sinking in the mire?

Yes.

Bez, there's a very interesting section on Full Fact about Europe.

fullfact.org/europe/

Here's another link about European law, from the same site.

fullfact.org/law/conservative-party-bill-of-rights-39308/

I might lose my nice German GP. My DD may have to come back to the UK but that is not too bad. I resisted the urge to place my millions in Switzerland so that is one less worry

Passports will have to replaced as although current ones bear the words "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland", they also bear the words "European Union". What do new passports cost these days?

I think Trisher has highlighted a real problem, that most people, myself included, don't have the faintest clue what the real implications of leaving Europe would be.
I would vote to stay in, based on a wishy-washy feeling of being part of a wider European history and culture, and a vague assumption that in a global economy we need to be part of a bigger unit. I think our exporters would suffer, and regions like the North-East which have had a lot of European money in the last 25 years, would suffer too.
I wouldn't go as far as a Federal Europe, and I don't want us to be part of the Eurozone. The balance between individual member states' autonomy, and co-operation within the community is a hard one to get right, but we have to hope our government will work for the right balance between protecting our interests while co-operating with other member states.

I'm glad that my particular (Tory)MP feels the same way as I do, but I do hope there's a determined effort to inform the public as clearly and comprehensively as possible as to what exactly would be the consequences of a 'Brexit'.

Sorry just spotted the title of the thread

What will happen with state pensions? It was because of an EU ruling that ex-pat Brits who live in EU countries are entitled to the annual increases that Brits who live in Britain have. If there is a no vote and Britain withdraws from the EU, will they then find themselves with frozen state pension for the rest of their lives – and no access to the NHS, if it still exists? I suppose that's not funny either.

The cost of a cleaning lady will double to £20 an hour.

And who will serve me in bars and restaurants?

jen if you look on the European laws site and what could happen it does not go into what each party person says etc but how the actual European LAW stands and how that could impact on UK if we did withdraw etc and how it would impact on the people living in UK and also Brits living and working in the EU. It really comes down to what is the legal position which will impact on us and that is the point after all the hype.

As many of you know, I am often flippant on serious subjects, I have tried to reform .
The subject of Europe is a very serious one, IMO most (not all) of us, including myself do not understand the full implications of withdrawing/staying from Europe on industry, financial sector, investments etc etc. I have read various articles explaining the situation, but I am just as ignorant, I am not an accountant or economist, I am an engineer. I hope that each side of the argument will make it clearer when the decision is to be made, but I fear it will be clouded with bias from all sides and many of us will still be in the dark.

I have a personal view, based on what I think are the facts, but I don't propose to declare or discuss that view, as it is irrelevant to this post and I am very unsure of my knowledge atm.

DH's business would be severely affected. He'd probably have to close down in fact as trying to negotiate the red tape there would inevitably have to be would be so complicated and pricing accordingly would put them out of business. Its only a small one but jobs would be lost and also there would be a knock on effect on the other local small businesses who they buy from. Not light hearted at all.

Jane - I'm reading more and more stories like yours. Plus some European companies are already holding back on planned investment here because of the uncertainty that will now last until late 2017. In the meantime, other countries are working to attract this investment instead. Then there are all the grants and help that go to our poor regions - any Welsh/ Cornish GNers can inform us here. The chair of the 1922 committee told DC yesterday that they want Members of the cabinet who are anti to be able to speak out. DC is taking a real gamble with all this - that he will get concessions and so argue for a yes vote. Now what did Major call the anti- Europeans? Well they still are and they are still there. There will be blood on the carpet and tears before bedtime

And of course all this was clearly spelled out before the election wasn't it?

If we were to secede from the EU - what would our newspapers have to lie about then?