Cameron - a "shrewd & malevolent psychopath"?

Didn't work very well for him over the weekend, did it, FarNorth?
He had to backtrack pretty quickly on telling his cabinet that if they did not vote to stay in the EU, they would be sacked.
Did you see the reporters laughing at the idea that they had all got it wrong yesterday?

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/06/08/the-tory-civil-war-begins-now

Your article was about Human Rights.
This goes to ECHR next week.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/06/04/jean-charles-de-menezes-case-could-spark-new-human-rights-ba

It will be interesting to see what happens in the current climate.

It was unedifying to hear him backtracking and trying to say he did not say what he said. Sounds as though a bit of internecine strife is looming. He seems to be determined to get his own way - maybe he will get too big for his boots.

His statement “For too long we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens so long as you obey the law we will leave you alone.” is indeed pretty creepy.

Very difficult to judge really whether he is stupid and lucky, with some good advisers put in by the Party, or whether he is wily and malevolent.
If he was a character in a novel (one by Jilly Cooper probably) who would ever believe that, in real life, he could get away with:
* 2010 election - "Vote Blue - get green", promising to be the "greenest government ever" and then doing nothing, but nothing to justify it. In fact the reverse e.g. cutting the amount of money the energy companies have to pay in "green taxes" i.e. subsidies for insulating the homes of poorer people .
* The whole Coulson - Brooks thing (straight out of a Cooper novel that one, horses included)
* Convincing people in 2005 that the NHS was safe in his hands, because his family had really needed the NHS when his brain-damaged son was alive. (Not the kind of thing that private medicine is ever going to cover). And that he was not going to do any reorganisations. Then doing a reorganisation that nobody wanted. Then he drags his dead son into his election speeches all over again in 2015 all the while planning massive £22 billion cuts (more actually - that's just England).

Oh JessM No one is brain-damaged these days; they have learning difficulties. So that's okay then.

Having read his words that he apparently said, I can see why there was a muddle. I dont think he meant them how it was reported. Could be wrong.

Apparently he is not a very good strategist, which is the conclusion I was coming to. I dont think that he is wily.

This is probably a thread best left to the tory-bashers, soontobe, any attempt at reasonableness will not be countenanced!

Having now read the link though. hmm.

You might be right Ana

Never mind Jilly Cooper, jessM, what we need is a Trollope (NOT Joanna) for this century.

Ana, if you'd like to give reasonableness a go, I'll have a go at countenancing it.

Oh this is total rubbish. Cameron simply wants to get the best deal he can for Britain from the EU, and then get a referendum result in favour of staying in. He has taken a helluva gamble by saying there will be a referendum, and now he is probably, slightly panicking. Who can blame him?

This is the popular press at it's best/worst.

It just happens to be every bit of the media that got it wrong, then, jingl?
I do not think so.
He should not get things like that wrong. His only other job was in PR.

Is this Frankie Boyle the not very funny comedian or am I thinking of another Frankie Boyle.

He never actually said anyone would have to resign. Just that he expected his party to stay solid behind him. It'S too important to let the backbenchers squabble about it. Or for idiots like David Davies to try to hog the limelight momentarily.

Yes, it is, but the other links are not by him. I do not like him swearing but he does not do that in the article. His first job was in a mental hospital, so maybe he can recognise a psychopath when he meets one.

It is indeed that Frankie Boyle, merlot, although he seems to have grown a big, bushy beard as an attempt to disguise himself!

The press made exactly what they wanted to make of it.

Oh, what a ridiculous thing to say, durhamjen!
(remember, they're tracking your every word...)

You are talking junk durhamjen. I doubt if even he expects that codswallop to be taken seriously.

He was talking about the front bench, not the back bench, jingl. He knows he's got 50 backbenchers lined up against him, because they want out anyway. They can hold him to ransom right up until the referendum, as he only has a majority of twelve, so he'd better not upset too many of them.

Good heavens, a thread on party lines. Shouldn't you take your own advice, Ana?