What would you do if you were Italy?

Sorry. The Commentator.

The first part of the Spectator article is silly. To put it mildly.

We still do it now, many British companies advertise jobs in Europe.

"From the 1950s into the 1960s there was a mass migration of workers from all over the English-speaking Caribbean, particularly Jamaica, who settled in Britain. These immigrants were invited to fill labour requirements in London’s hospitals, transportation venues and railway development. They are widely viewed as having been a major contributing factor to the rebuilding of the post-war urban London economy."

I call that encouragement, Grannyonce. I am only surprised that you did not know about it.
We also encouraged Italians to come and work in the brick kilns. We provided housing for them.

The first thing I do, Grannyonce, when looking at a new website, is find out who is funding it by looking on the sitemap. There isn't one on your link.

Joan, that one's for you to answer. The link ends with saying we need a politician like Tony Abbott.

sorry this is a link but it is thought provoking (and worrying)
www.thecommentator.com/article/5919/europe_now_has_open_door_immigration

Nonnie, the Greek village we visit has a collection of food, blankets and clothes ready for the next lot of people who are washed up on its beaches. It isn't a wealthy village but it's typically Greek, in that it cares for those in need. Maybe you could buy food/other items locally, so contributing the the local economy and leave it with whoever is co-ordinating relief efforts. Great to read you're already planning ahead. (so are we)

No it isn't, jingl. We encouraged people to come here and work. We cannot tell them not to come now when they need to escape.

DJ - did we really
only if you view offering a better life (with or without working) as encouragement
there is no easy answer but harking back to history and all the misdeeds perpetrated by the Europeans (not just Great Britain) does not solve anything although it makes a good soundbite for the left.

we are where we are and this country (inspite of the green spaces seen from the air) cannot absorb endless numbers of new immigrants (be they EU nationals or asylum seekers from Africa, Asia) because our infrastrucutre is creaking at the seams already.

Nonnie, I have just noticed that you said you were going to a Greek island next month where there are refugees.

When I said this on a different thread, about the bodies being washed up, I was mocked.
Have you decided whether you are taking things with you for the refugees?
I would think that anything would be welcome. Is there a website that you can go on to find out how to help?

The telly's on and I've got a glass of wine. Wimbledon's just been cancelled for the day. I can multitask.

This link might make you lose the will to live, jingl, but the comments are worth reading as well.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/03/14/19619/

Follow the money. Stop the money. Qatar owns so much because it makes more in rents. Stop foreign companies involved in terrorism from owning so much of this country.
Renationalise our infrastructure.

Europe on the whole does not commit human rights abuses, soon. Have you seen all the problems with Qatar hosting the World Cup? The fact that they pay the builders very little and the health and safety record is appalling?

Or put the telly on and pour some

We are not really going to pull up any drawbridges. You are missing my point again.

Sit quietly for a while and think about it. About the inevitability of it all.

So you are pro Europe, but not pro Qatar. Is that fair?

NoT to mention all the other terrorist organisations whose violent actions bring about the boat refugees.

So, is there some route to breaking IS in there somewhere durhamjen?

Who funds IS?
Qatar.
Who owns much of London?
Qatar.
Harrods, British Airways, Canary Wharf.
Why do we allow that? Is that not a drawbridge to pull up?

They will break the fucking world.

The IS crisis and therefore migrants, may well break the EU.

Turn off the telly and switch off the radio. Or sit in a corner and rock.

Look! I'm not saying we should take no more immigrants. Of course we have to do our share. I'm just saying there IS NO FINAL ANSWER.

Try to understand what I mean. We can't go to all these countries and turn them into peaceful havens of industry. So the refugeeswill continue to come, and come.....

I am preaching despair. That's all there is now.

Governments' ultimate aim is to get reelected. Has anyone ever seen a political party anywhere, not go for reelection?
They can only push their ideals so far, before they become unelectable. So, at some point, if the country is a democracy, they have to listen to their electorate.

The majority of the electorate is the same. They have ideals, but again, when push comes to shove, they will not accept potentially millions of people from elsewhere filling the hospital beds, schools, mental health facilities etc.

Well we can actually it seems. As can all the other countries. As someone else said on here or eslewhere, when push comes to shove, countries draw up the drawbridge. I dont know why anyone is surprised by that.

No it isn't, jingl. We encouraged people to come here and work. We cannot tell them not to come now when they need to escape.

www.hrw.org/news/2015/06/18/eu-rights-abuses-home-drive-mediterranean-crisis

London is owned by foreigners. So is most of our water supply.