What would you do if you were Italy?

Turn off the telly and switch off the radio. Or sit in a corner and rock.

The IS crisis and therefore migrants, may well break the EU.

They will break the fucking world.

Who funds IS?
Qatar.
Who owns much of London?
Qatar.
Harrods, British Airways, Canary Wharf.
Why do we allow that? Is that not a drawbridge to pull up?

So, is there some route to breaking IS in there somewhere durhamjen?

NoT to mention all the other terrorist organisations whose violent actions bring about the boat refugees.

So you are pro Europe, but not pro Qatar. Is that fair?

We are not really going to pull up any drawbridges. You are missing my point again.

Sit quietly for a while and think about it. About the inevitability of it all.

Or put the telly on and pour some

Follow the money. Stop the money. Qatar owns so much because it makes more in rents. Stop foreign companies involved in terrorism from owning so much of this country.
Renationalise our infrastructure.

Europe on the whole does not commit human rights abuses, soon. Have you seen all the problems with Qatar hosting the World Cup? The fact that they pay the builders very little and the health and safety record is appalling?

The telly's on and I've got a glass of wine. Wimbledon's just been cancelled for the day. I can multitask.

This link might make you lose the will to live, jingl, but the comments are worth reading as well.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/03/14/19619/

Nonnie, I have just noticed that you said you were going to a Greek island next month where there are refugees.

When I said this on a different thread, about the bodies being washed up, I was mocked.
Have you decided whether you are taking things with you for the refugees?
I would think that anything would be welcome. Is there a website that you can go on to find out how to help?

No it isn't, jingl. We encouraged people to come here and work. We cannot tell them not to come now when they need to escape.

DJ - did we really
only if you view offering a better life (with or without working) as encouragement
there is no easy answer but harking back to history and all the misdeeds perpetrated by the Europeans (not just Great Britain) does not solve anything although it makes a good soundbite for the left.

we are where we are and this country (inspite of the green spaces seen from the air) cannot absorb endless numbers of new immigrants (be they EU nationals or asylum seekers from Africa, Asia) because our infrastrucutre is creaking at the seams already.

Nonnie, the Greek village we visit has a collection of food, blankets and clothes ready for the next lot of people who are washed up on its beaches. It isn't a wealthy village but it's typically Greek, in that it cares for those in need. Maybe you could buy food/other items locally, so contributing the the local economy and leave it with whoever is co-ordinating relief efforts. Great to read you're already planning ahead. (so are we)

sorry this is a link but it is thought provoking (and worrying)
www.thecommentator.com/article/5919/europe_now_has_open_door_immigration

Joan, that one's for you to answer. The link ends with saying we need a politician like Tony Abbott.

The first thing I do, Grannyonce, when looking at a new website, is find out who is funding it by looking on the sitemap. There isn't one on your link.

"From the 1950s into the 1960s there was a mass migration of workers from all over the English-speaking Caribbean, particularly Jamaica, who settled in Britain. These immigrants were invited to fill labour requirements in London’s hospitals, transportation venues and railway development. They are widely viewed as having been a major contributing factor to the rebuilding of the post-war urban London economy."

I call that encouragement, Grannyonce. I am only surprised that you did not know about it.
We also encouraged Italians to come and work in the brick kilns. We provided housing for them.

We still do it now, many British companies advertise jobs in Europe.

The first part of the Spectator article is silly. To put it mildly.

Sorry. The Commentator.

DJ - of course I know that - but that was in the 50s, 60s,70s and has absolutely nothing to do with the 'boat' asylum seekers currently crossing the mediterranean - why do you keep harking back to what was the case 50+ years ago
of course recruitment goes on in Europe for British companies
that is an entirely differant situation - they are not needing to 'escape'
so I don't do links with the expertise of yourself - frankly I find that nit-picking.

who is 'encouraging' the young men (mostly) from the African continent to come and work in Europe - I am sure Italy and Greece are doing no such thing.
sometimes I feel head against brick wall emoticom is needed
Jingl - why is it silly - which part don't you feel is sensible - genuine question.

Saying that the left want open immigration into Europe. I don't think they do. And suggesting that Saudi and the like should be picking up the refugees and taking them back. Pigs might fly, but they don't. So we have to do it.

And of course politicians recognise that the boat people are a sympton of the troubles in their own country. The thing is, what can possibly be done about that?

Destroying the traffickers boats is good. Won't solve the problem, but good.