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Terror attacks in France and Tunisia/now

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POGS Fri 26-Jun-15 13:19:20

What a scary time we live in.

One man beheaded this morning in France, now at least 19 people killed in attacks on 'possibly' 2 hotels in Sousse, Tunisia. That is what is being reported at the moment, they are believed to be tourists.

It must be terrifying for those on holiday being told to barricade themselves in their rooms.

Just awful.

Anniebach Thu 02-Jul-15 11:24:38

Iam, how could any Muslim feel comfortable here?

TriciaF Thu 02-Jul-15 11:24:19

As Lam says, I think the Sharia courts, much like the Jewish Batei Din, are used to settle civil matters between people of the same religion.
Sharia Law is roughly based on orthodox Jewish law, from the 1st 5 books of the OT. With some changes due to Mohammed's interpretation.

Iam64 Thu 02-Jul-15 11:08:01

I believe Sharia is used in the Uk to help settle family disputes. Muslim women's groups (amongst others) have expressed concern about its use in family breakups. It leaves women in a vulnerable position in relation to property and domestic abuse. It's a pity we don't seem to have any Muslim gransnet members as our discussions seem inevitably to fall into accusations that some posters are overly sympathetic or others overly critical.

POGS Thu 02-Jul-15 10:59:13

30th 21.16. I posted I thought it was too thatbags.

My mind was thinking of the male/female inheritance line for a start. I think it's called Mirath or something like it?

thatbags Thu 02-Jul-15 10:39:46

Late to this as I was out all yesterday. eloethan said: "Sharia plays no part in the British legal process". I'm not sure that is correct. I think it does play some part in the British legal process since it still affects British people in Britain in certain ways. I am not sure of the details but will try to find out more.

Anniebach Thu 02-Jul-15 10:28:31

Yes POGS it is , and I have said several times it does not mean to mewhat it does to you. I doubt anyone could say the term sheep sh. could mean anything other than sexual intercourse with sheep but there are expressions which have different meanings in different parts of the country

POGS Thu 02-Jul-15 10:21:13

Anniebach

It's all about how, when, where and why it is used, in other words the context behind writing or saying it I suppose.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jul-15 22:51:43

So sorry POGS , my mistake and I will repeat little englander has several meanings ,

POGS Wed 01-Jul-15 22:35:51

Anniebach

Actually I haven't mentioned 'housing' and you didn't call me a Little Englander. confused

I was making a point re the term Little Englander which is is inevitably used in a derogatory fashion to belittle another/other people.

It is like calling all Welshmen 'Sheep Sha---rs', another derogatory term which is used by those of a certain ilk/character to insult others. I could go on but I think everybody get's the picture.

Anya Wed 01-Jul-15 22:18:11

Yes, the bravery and humanity of the people of Sousse has been acknowledged already. And I'm surprised to read that people have allegedly 'demanded' that 'moderate' Muslins should act in a certain way. Are there really 'demands' in this thread, I must have missed that.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 01-Jul-15 22:12:42

So sad to see the coffins coming home.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jul-15 22:11:21

Good grief,people took selfies ? I didn't know of this, how sick

Anniebach Wed 01-Jul-15 22:10:04

POGS, , little englander does not mean the same to you as it does to me, I assume you are English ? I am not. No way do I think of you as boorish or ignorant . I think I said your opinion that we gave them a home was that of a little englander . I have looked up little englander and find there are several definitions . So I did not use the term against you as a person but the - we gave them a home , I did also say there are British born who have converted to the faith, I do think it unfair to speak of all Muslims as if they were clones not individual people, makes them sound like a small pox epidemic , all identical and all a danger to the rest of the human race. I am not saying this is your view of Muslims but I think Muslims must feel this way . When a far right fundamentalist murders we read he was a far right extremist,never is the persons faith mentioned, the man who shot those poor people in a church in America was described a racist, a white supremacist, no faith mentioned, not so when the murderer is of the Muslim faith, he is a Muslim terrorist . This must be so distressing for peace loving Muslims

POGS Wed 01-Jul-15 22:06:45

I must add unlike the crass idiots who took 'selfies' at the scene.

What on earth posses the likes of the proposed candidate in the last General Election to be seen taking a selfie? Such people have a screw loose.

POGS Wed 01-Jul-15 21:53:24

To be fair there have been posts saying this already.

I think they have been widely praised by those involved in the attack, the press and t.v coverage, even Parliament.

They have been very brave and deserve all the recognition they have been given.

absent Wed 01-Jul-15 21:44:01

While making demands about how "moderate" Muslims should behave in the light of this attack, no one should overlook the actions of the Bellevue Hotel staff, the builder who hurled tiles from an overlooking roof and the young men who laid flowers and messages on the beach after the event.

POGS Wed 01-Jul-15 21:36:33

"I never have a problem with anyone disagreeing with my views on topics"

May I ask Anniebach if that's true why do you use the term 'Little Englanders' to those who don't agree with you.

The term Little Englander is used when one party wishes to try and shut down debate/discussion or considers the other to be 'boorish', 'ignorant' 'xenophobic'.

Now I am not denying you might say "And your point is", at least that would be honest but it only implies that you have no respect for other posters so where does that leave reasoned debate.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jul-15 20:56:09

I never have a problem with anyone disagreeing with my views on topics

rosesarered Wed 01-Jul-15 20:44:07

That's up to you, it's a free country, but expect others to disagree with your comments just as they are free to disagree with my comments on this.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jul-15 20:21:36

I thought part of the discussion was why young Muslims feel alienated , my mistake . So we stick to the deaths in Tunisia were an appalling act of violence and ISIS is a threat to this country , end of discussion

rosesarered Wed 01-Jul-15 20:04:05

Exactly right Ana,it is nit picking of the highest order to say we have not given them homes.I expect quite a few Asian people who came here did get council properties, but as I said earlier and others have chosen to ignore, it is not bricks and mortar I am talking about, but a safe haven after the riots in India against Muslims in 1947' and ever since then. they have 'chosen' to live in this country because we allow it as India was part of the Commonwealth.It is nothing like British going to Spain to live, and that is not relevant to this thread.In fact nothing you have just said Anniebach is relevant to this thread. nobody on here has said that immigrants have brought no benefits.
JaneAinsworth why do you keep going on about any groups who are anti-semitic or BNP, what has that got to do with anything? we are talking about Muslim extremists Who support ISIS , and British Muslims who may condone extremism in their midst. nobody here is saying, and I have checked all the posts,that there is no other form of extremism to take part in, but we are talking about this today because of the killings in Tunisia and of the very great threat that ISIS poses everywhere.

petra Wed 01-Jul-15 19:01:52

I lived in another country for 5 years. They loved the British there. Why, because we tried to learn the language, we paid good money for their services, we spent a lot of money in their bars and cafés. And, we all had private medical insurance.
We took nothing out, we all gave.

TerriBull Wed 01-Jul-15 18:48:09

I didn't say it was different dj, I pointed out that people who go to live in Spain and France from here tend to purchase their properties, as indeed many Asian families do here.

Anniebach Wed 01-Jul-15 18:37:46

I have more in common with immigrants than I thought, I too have been given a home here

Ana Wed 01-Jul-15 18:36:38

We have given them a safe place to live. It's just nitpicking to say we haven't actually 'given them homes'.