Terror attacks in France and Tunisia/now

Nigglynellie , spot on, you did not hold that poor man responsible and he wasn't yet he felt shame. Therefore we must understand that someone can feel anger for past deeds ,

understanding doesn't mean condoning or excusing sadly some here cannot see this

There is an outcry from British Muslims, Anya. It just does not get printed as much as other outcries.

Can you send me a link to protest marches that have taken place please?

What good does the anger do Anniebach?

If people dont move on from anger in their lives, it hurts themselvs and others around them.

dj - the second part of the biblical quote is the bit you want for what you wrote I think. But best to leave it there I think, if that is ok.

I'm still waiting for a reply to my post of 19.15 Anya, so don't hold your breath...

I wonder whether muslims are understandably scared to speak up too loudly.
I dont think that marching is going to be a good idea for them.

I haven't sodding well "copped out"! I said if EC forces hacked people's heads off, and the like, there would be one helluva outcry today.

And read my post of 18.48.04.

Excellent post Anya. I find Durhamjens and Anniebachs posts ridiculous and laughable.

Soon, in response to your what good does anger do.

"The Bible famously challenges people to love their enemy, but I don’t believe that means not getting angry, or simply accepting the status quo. There are many passages about helping those living in poverty, but many more about addressing the causes of poverty, and passages about respecting those in authority sit within a wider narrative of holding those in power to account for the good of the whole of society."

This was from a minister in the church. I can give you a link to the article if you want.

Perhaps you could also respond to my request of 19.15 and Anya's of 19.42 durhamjen.

It's noticeable that you often seem to ignore posts you either can't or won't answer.

It would take courage to march knowing so many feel hatred towards you because you are Muslim, the fact one was marching to protest against the violence of ISIS would be too complicated for some to understand , they would just think Muslim and no further

rosesarered, I find some posts cold , intolerant and also rather smug, we all see things differently

nobody is excusing in any way, shape or form- at all - but as said, the Algerian war finished in 1962... so very much in our lifetime- and for some, when our children were born. This is not ancient history OUR generation. This means the man whose head was severed could have served in the French army at the time. Not that that would excuse this dreadfuk, dreadful crime- at all.

The situation is quite different in the UK- but for North Africans in FRance, even those who are 2nd or 3rd generation born in France- equality of opportunities just do nto exist, and they are often put down all the time and treated like 2nd class citizens, possibly 3rd class (with white immigrants as 2nd)- have very menial jobs and the unemployment rate among the young is about 3 times for than for the 'white' French. VERY different to the UK situation.

I did not say there were protest marches, Anya. I said there was outcry.
Muslims marched after the Charlie Ebdo obscenity, and they set up the notinmyname website. But I do not expect you to have bothered looking at that.

Why do you say things like that, durhamjen?

'I do not expect you to have bothered looking at that.'

What sort of mindset is it that puts down anyone who dares to question your particular view of the world?

Since I have been asked by the same poster twice, I had better reply.

Yes, we are supposed to love our enemy. Definitely.
But in no way are we supposed to love what they do, if they do wrong.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

The poverty and authority bit - yes that is right.

I am starting to see where you are coming from. You think that by being angry, that helps you to hold authorities to account? If I have got that right?
But cant that still be done, but without the anger?

Expats in France often live in pretty rural areas, and are not always aware of the lack of opportunities for young 'Beurs' youngster of North AFrican heritage (as said, often 2nd or 3rd generation FRENCH born in FRANCE - not immigrants).

Anya asked me for a link, strangely. If she had bothered looking at the link about notinmyname she would have found out what she wanted.

Here's a link for her.

imamsonline.com/blog/from-dewsbury-to-tunisia-do-we-have-a-problem/

She can stick up for herself, Ana.

Soon, the minister is saying we should get angry. What's the point of always being wishy-washy. You never make decisions, never do anything, never go on marches or sign petitions. You never put your money where your mouth is.

Just a quick comment. I have seen many #notinmyname posts on Twitter from the wider Muslim community in Britain and in other countries. Does this not count? Younger people tend to use this medium and also FB to express their personal opinions.

I pray on my own. I pray with others. That is a direct link to God. Very important.
I am not sure what the, I never make decisions means. I make all sorts of decisions in my religious life, as I have hinted at on another thread.
I do sign some of the petitions.
I dont go on marches. They are way out of my area. That is the only bit of what you have written that is actually true.

Their is such a thing as righteous anger.
This isnt actually a very good link
www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-bible-verses-that-show-righteous-and-unrighteous-anger-125245/#!

This is a good link about anger
www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/anger-bible-verses/

If you dont want to read the links, I will copy some of them out if you want.

I actually think, from what I have read, that muslims are hugely concerned that their teenagers and young men are going to get drawn into ISIL.
Again, from what I have read, it can all happen remarkably quickly, like 6 months.

I'll say what I like, durhamjen.

Yes, Jud, it should count. That is my point.
Sometimes there are responses that are anti notinmyname, but not exactly inciting hatred.
There is a website where such hatred can be reported.

www.seeitreportit.org/

Granjura, I have just noticed your response saying where your friend had posted the postcards. What sort of response was expected on there? Was the reason to show what the French did?

Haven't told you not to, Ana, and I would dream of saying you couldn't. What I said was that Anya can stick up for herself.

Righteous anger - Jesus overturning the tables in the temple at Jerusalem?

I wonder what he would say if he came back now - assuming that lots of us are wrong and that is possible.

Durhamjen- he is actually not a close friend, so could not ask- the post came up on another friend's post- and I was shocked. I suppose, but I cannot know- he felt that the French were not strangers for beheading enemies and boasting about it- as if it were an act of bravery and patriotism, of Christianity even.