Terror attacks in France and Tunisia/now

Hundred,sorry, not hindred.

I will feel obliged, if the term or word is used incorrectly, Mishap.

Sorry but I just don't understand some here, we musn't mention the past and the wrong we did but we support the Jews who say we must never allow the atrocities of the Second World War to be forgotten,

But soon, you don't seem to know yourself what the word means.

durhamjen- he posted them on his FB page- not sure it was a good idea, really. However, i did post that it was the year my dad was born, not because it is relevant as such, but because Jingle- it is not that far back- that the French thought that torturing North AFricans, and sending official postcards home to boast about the great number of severed heads- was totally acceptable and accepted.

durhamjen I agree that the French war crimes in Algeria were horrifying. (Have seen pictures on facebook) BUT a. it wasn't the British and b. they need to come into today's world. You can't go on excusing such behaviour forever because of what happened in the past. The world would never progress. If any military in the EC behaved in that way today, there would be a huge outcry!

The Algerian war was much closer ever, and 1000s were massacred, from 1954 until 1962. Many Gneters have children born in the early 60s- so NO NO NO it is not far back.

Of course, if you go to York, the fact that there is no Jewish community is mentioned. That's because the Jews committed mass suicide there rather than be massacred in 1190.

1190?

Aren't we going a bit too far back now...?

Ana. I think I know enough now. And to know when it is being used incorrectly.

And I think I am right in saying that ISIL or whatever they are going to be called, are not muslim fundamentalists, as they dont keep to the muslim religion, but go beyond it.
Which is why the muslim community, as a whole, are not happy about ISIL and what they are doing.

Jingl, there have been lots of atrocities done by British forces, lots of enquiries and lots of whitewashing.

www.britisharmykillings.com/

Are you excusing this behaviour?

Oh yes! I was expecting that one! They have all been investigated thoroughly, punishments doled out, and outrage expressed by the general population.

Are you really saying that because British forces have done bad things in the past, the atrocities carried out by ISIS are understandable and excusable, durhamjen (and others)?

Or just that we should put up and shut up?

I'm leaving this thread. Moulder in it all on your own.

that was to durhamjen. and probably to granjura. and others who like to dwell on miserable things.

What I am saying, Ana, is that even something that happened in 1190 is remembered in the community. There is no synagogue in York, and never has been.

American soldiers raped Vietnamese woman and young girls , but so what, they didn't kill them.

Some here will remember the film reels of the atrocities carried out by the Mau Mau, only now is some of the truth coming out , we were no better

How can we wallow in how we won the battle of Waterloo celebrations yet dismiss the wrongs we did

Jingl was the one who said things like that could not happen in any EC military. Now she's been reminded, she cops out.
The link I gave shows that some people think these atrocities have not been satisfactorily resolved, and that is why resentment festers.
I have never said that anything IS does is excusable or understandable. What I have said is that the British are not without faults.
In fact, it's quite biblical. Let he who is without sin, or take the beam out of your own eye. I am sure soon will give me the full text.

Wallow? What? This is all getting more and more ridiculous!

What are you actually saying? That it's OK for ISIS to commit the actocities they do because we and others have done the same in the past?

So the British are not without faults. Who said they were?

Barmy...

Jingl did, Ana. Read the bloody thread, not just my comments.

While lessons can certainly be learned from the past, no generation can possibly be held responsible or be made to feel guilty for the atrocities committed by their forebears. I was in the Netherlands last October visiting the grave of my late father, who was killed 72 years ago and lies buried with the rest of the bomber crew who died with him. While there, I met a charming Dutch lady whose husband was German. Unfortunately this husband felt that he was unable to meet me, and when I asked with surprise why? it transpired that he felt a sense of overwhelming guilt for the horrors perpetrated by his forbears and felt that he couldn't face me. I was deeply saddened that this poor man was riddled with guilt about something that happened years before he was born, and for which he couldn't possibly be held responsible and made strenuous efforts to convey this feeling. No future generations can help the past, but we can all learn by it.

You flatter yourself if you think I only read your comments, durhamjen.

Please point out the post where jingl said, categorically, that the British have no faults.

Oh spare me the biblical quotes DJ and try to move into the here and now. I'm sure those grieving for friends and family gunned down or beheaded by fanatics would not be impressed.

The situation is as it is. Now. In 2015.

This young murderer used social media, had a smart phone. He was not wandering round in sackcloth and sandles and riding a camel. He had choices and he chose to murder innocent people who were simply trying to relax and unwind on a beautiful beach in Tunisia. He was easily convinced to do evil by other evil people.

Others of his race and religion chose to make a human barrier and tell him that he had to kill them first if he wanted to cross it. So there was no excuse for his actions and we need to hear an outcry from our British Muslins too.

Sandals