English Votes for English Laws

You may not find it offensive Lillygran I do , I would never address a person from another country in that manner, for me it's the English, the Scots , the
Irish. Really you are saying 'you people' , most unpleasant

Tory democracy in action!

But it looks as though we're going to get the mayors whether we want them or not!

The powerhouse seems to be on hold anyway.

FHS Annie what's rude about 'you Welsh'? I don't find 'you English' in the least offensive.

Same in the North East. As things stand we will not be part of the Northern Powerhouse unless we agree to a mayor. We voted no the first time, as did Yorkshire, so there are a lot of people in the UK who got it wrong, whatever that means.

Lilygran - we mancs could be said to have "got it wrong first time and voted no" to an elected mayor. We didn't want one, but we're getting one now, whether we like it or not. Devo Manc - democracy in action - not!

Lilygran, I find ' you Welsh' ill mannered and offensive , thankfully not all English are the same , just you English

Quite a long gap between Thatcher and first round of devolution. Time to come up with a better scheme! Also, have you forgotten that you Welsh got it wrong first time and voted 'No'? Just like the regions over elected mayors. Democracy at work.

Hardly rushed in, the first vote was 1979 in Wales then all went quiet untill Thatcher did her queen of England reign, this was the cause of the demands in 1997

Blair and his government should take full responsibility for the mess for having rushed through the first round of quasi-independent arrangements. They were told at the time what problems this would cause. The West Lothian question, remember? Then Cameron et al aren't improving matters.

I didn't think the Labour party was bothered about Evel, grumppa, so why should they have sorted out anything.
It's only because Cameron got in a strop at the election. It's also because he decided the Scotland bill was not going to go through without Evel after the referendum. He's the one that caused the problem, as FarNorth and Anniebach say.
His problem is that he is used to having his own way, hence the fox hunting debacle as well.

FarNorth, Cameron is responsible for this mess, he stirred up the anti Scot feelings during the election portraying the Scots as baddies

The SNP's elected MPs at Westminster are perfectly entitled to take part and vote in any debates, just as Scottish MPs of all parties always have been.
Why is it suddenly seen as such a problem?

Cameron has whipped up ill-feeling against Scotland and the SNP for no good reason that I can see.

What evidence so far? Reacting to the abuse they have received since the election and leading up to the election . They said they would not vote and only change after the constant EVEL comments Cameron could have sorted this in the five years before the election but didn't , then came his love in with Scotland during the referendum followed by those wicked Scots during the election Not consistent is he

There needs to be a short term solution because the SNP, on the evidence so far, cannot be relied on not to vote on purely English matters. Mind you, there has been time to find a solution since Scotland first voted for a separate assembly when Blair was PM.

Why a short term solution grumpa ? What is the rush? are people demonstrating at Westminster? The debate in the house this afternoon was most interesting and a question was raised which i have asked , how can any MP who has not been banned for x number of weeks for breaking parliamentary rules be prevented from entering the house and taking part in any debate

Short term solution is to keep it as it is while things are properly discussed and decided.
It hasn't suddenly become unfair to England just because Scotland now has a majority of SNP MPs.

If you live in England you may not know that David Cameron, as well as other politicians, went to great lengths before the referendum to beg Scotland to stay in the UK. He even said "Don't leave the union, but stay and lead it."

Yet he then went on to demonise the Scots in the Conservatives' general election campaign when, in fact, England is in no danger at all of being taken over / ruled / or suchlike, by Scotland.

If fairness and equal rights for all can be achieved by September, fine. And pigs might fly. So what is fhe short term interim solution, anniebach?

FarNorth if that was to happen this government would simply change the rules yet again

I would not want a UK parliment which chooses cheap and cheerful over fairness and equal rights for all

Let's suppose that Evel is brought in, then in a future UK parliament Conservatives get 56 seats in Scotland.
Will the Conservatives be happy for those MPs to be excluded from taking part in the process of a large number of Bills, do you think?

I have to agree grumppa. I think there are some politicians who have always seen parliament as English first and UK second but it is, in fact, a UK parliament so an English one would make sense.

I can't disagree with you there grumppa.

I just wish the UK could be just that. A UNITED kingdom, instead of what it is now becoming. A very UN-united kingdom.

Why should the SNP keep out of any issues in the house of commons? No-one has ever suggested that Scottish MPs of any other party should keep out of anything.

Evel- not so simple. As I posted earlier, the government is not even clear on which Bills, already dedated in the last few years, should be classed as England-only, or England & Wales.

A list of 20 such Bills showed that, in fact, 13 of them had implications for Scotland.