Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

I think that there will be kind people I all parties as you say Luckygirl. When one party swings so far in one direction as the. Conservatives have done it is not surprising if there is a counter balancing swing in the opposite one.

I apologise rosesarered , but why do you have cosy little chats about others having cosy little chats ?

I think perhaps "one" should be more careful who "one" chooses to take tea with.

FarNorth, it's more than a supposed connection, as there is a video of Corbyn saying " our friends In Hezbollah" and " our friends In Hamas" there can be no doubt of his association and friendship with them, likewise the IRA .

Luckygirl, you really should Google them, don't rely on anyone here to tell you, and have you forgotten Terry Waite and others?

I didn't know anything about Corbyn's supposed connection with Hamas or Hezbollah, until now.
Anniebach do you have any response to those comments?

The trouble with watered down is that there is no real debate or choice.

I do not think that if JC got the leadership there would be a sudden mass marxist movement in Britain. I just think that the Labour party would change and there would be a bit of a shake-up.

In the context of a government that is moving to the right, I guess that this sort of response is inevitable.

I don't feel that I know enough about Hezbollah and Hamas to make a sensible comment - perhaps someone could help me here?

rosesarered referred to 'like minded people' and gillybob to 'the usual crowd.'

Not quite the same as 'these people' in the disparaging way that you mean, Anniebach...

AB, am puzzled somewhat, ' these people' was said by GG in an earlier post, not by me, or by Gillybob.
she apologised for having said it in her previous post.

This is so funny, rosesarered and Gillybob having a chat between themselves about 'these people ' having little chats between themselves ,

These people ? Just who are 'these people'? I assume Labour Party supporters because it's 'Tory speak'. swarming, marauding, plebs, these people , soooo of the right speak

Of course! And it's so obvious it's laughable.

Still no response to your post about JC being a friend of Hezbollah and Hamas I notice, roses - do you get the feeling that some members' posts are being deliberately ignored?

There will be no mention on this thread about Hezbollah and others because it is an inconvenient truth that needs to be swept under the carpet.
luckygirl, there is nothing bad about some things being 'watered down', unless people prefer extremism( nothing watered down there).
Having debate within the Labour Party ( as in any political party) is a good thing, but the downside is that it could be handing the leadership over on a plate to a Marxist.There is a good reason why Corbyn has never been in the Cabinet/shadow Cabinet, and right now may be a good time to remember this.

I do not think that the sun shines from JC, and nor do many of the posters on this thread. I just recognise that he would try to return the Labour party to its roots a bit, and that it might not be a bad thing for some "clear blue water" to flow between the parties, so that people have some real choice. At the moment we can choose between watered down socialism, watered down liberalism and a conservative party that is creeping to the right. If he gets the Labour leadership there might be some shuffling around that would give some better choice to the electorate.

Our local MP has written a book called "Caring Conservatism" - and he is a caring person (I have worked with him on a charity project, for which he dipped into his own pocket in a big way) - but at the moment it seems a bit of an oxymoron.

sorry about the "these people" I would rather have used "the people using this service".

But they are choosing to do that janeainsworth. I just feel that using it is trying to give a message to voters rather than those having to use it. These people have got through 18 years of being parented without learning some of the basics - looking people in the eye when talking to them seems to be mentioned quite often. It isn't the worst word that they have used but I do suspect the motives of the Conservatives as they have used inflammatory language, to appeal to the shall we say less thoughtful side of people, in the past.

Is 'Boot Camp' necessarily a perjorative term?
They are advertised in our local park for the yummy mummies to get fit after childbirth

I am not so sure that it is punative Jen although the language is. If you teach people interview etiquette and help with CVs, increase confidence in conversation right from day one, help with managing expectation, etc., then you may really be doing something positive. If you talk about "boot camp" you are probably not.

A thought has just occured to me.
Since there has been no mention or condemnation of the activities of Hezbollah and Hamas, perhaps they agree with it? Though I can hardly believe that.
So why no mention?
I read about it days ago but I havent seen it being talked about.

It seems to me that left wing principles matter more than JCs friends, more than an effective opposition, more than anything else.

That is why it becomes cosy chats. They feed off each other.

I used to think that the Labour Party, and the left wing in particular cared a lot about nations and its peoples.

But their ideology trumps that. That is actually what matters to them. The rest is an offshoot or bonus.

It's always the way on these kinds of threads roses unless you support the usual crowd then you might as well forget it. My comments earlier on, didn't even get a response as they were not proclaiming "JC" as the great saviour.
I couldn't give a stuff though. If they want a "loony lefty" virtual communist in charge then best just leave them to it. There's one thing for certain those of us working in the private sector and trying to run small businesses might as well pack up if he got into power.

You see it's gone back to cosy little chats between like minded people on this thread( as I knew it would) and no critical words at all are allowed for 'JC' nobody will even answer the charge that he is or was a friend of Hezbollah and Hamas amongst other groups, which, after all would worry most of us! Not on here though, on all the threads on Corbyn, he practically walks on water.On the 10 points of JC thread, was this intentionally made to sound like the 10 Commandments?The prophet coming down the mountain with his 10 points cast in stone, a bit like the Milistone perhaps?
There are other good people who could lead the Labour Party who don't have Corbyn's 'loony left' views or dubious connections, but it seems so many people are hell bent on ignoring that fact.

"Responding to the announcement, a spokesman for the Corbyn campaign said: “This is another punitive turn by this Conservative government that is failing young people. They have cut further education places, driven a punitive welfare regime that has failed to reduce youth unemployment, and are raising university fees and taking away grants.

“As it takes away opportunities for young people to earn or learn, this government is blaming young people rather than addressing the real problems. It proposes more free labour from the young with fewer rights, and will be resisted by young people and Labour MPs.”

Corbyn's response.

It's for jobseekers between 18-21 within three weeks of submitting their first claim. Hardly gives them a chance, does it?

That's exactly what James Rampton said. Why that unnecessary language?