Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

Haha! strange definition of 'brilliant'. I thought it a rather prosaic article. Do not misunderstand me: that statement says absolutely nothing about what I think of Corbyn; I am talking about the writing in the article.

This is amusing about Corbyn's apparent prevarications. You can make of my posting that what you will.

Thank you for the link Jen, excellent artiticle Jen,

Thanks, Annie. He says exactly what I think.

Same for me Jen

Thank you for the link, thatbags. Sums up the attitude of the man, to me. Reluctant hero, but will do his best until his health gives out.

I've just caught up with this thread.

rosesarered you say that selling arms is done by all countries, but in fact only a few countries are responsible for three quarters of international arms exports: US 41%, Russia 17%, France 8%, UK 7%, Germany 3%. A substantial part of their customer base is that of developing nations. In any case, I don't agree with the argument that "if we didn't manufacture and sell arms, someone else would" because if it were applied across the board any business that is lucrative could be justified, no matter how dangerous it is to the stability of nations. I would expect the members of the UN Security Council who are the only countries with the power of veto to set an example to the rest of the world rather than make vast amounts of money from the production of armaments.

You state that the Labour Party would have won if people were in favour of a no austerity policy, but Labour did not put forward a no austerity policy. They went along with a slightly watered down version of the Conservative policy. Who is to say that all those people who didn't vote might have voted Labour if Labour had offered a real alternative?

Ana You said Anniebach's remarks re the supposed danger of Ed Miliband being "controlled" by Nicola Sturgeon should the Labour Party win were "rubbish". Are you saying that you saw no interviews where voters said they would not vote Labour because they were afraid that a Labour government would then be controlled by the SNP? Or are you saying that it was not a deliberate tactic used by the Conservatives to try and win back UKIP voters and deter people from voting Labour?

Eloethan

We ought to face this head on before others bring it up. JC and his meeting various alleged extremist. This will be the first of many , and something his supporters will have to deal with, so we may as well get used to it.

True Whitewave (although I wouldn't call myself a supporter, I'm more like intrigued by Corbyn the man).

There's also the "supports homeopathy" story kicking around:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/17/homeopathy-idiots-science-jeremy-corbyn

I read an interesting article this morning that said he didn't have a resounding "yes" reply to the interviewer who asked him whether he wanted to be Prime Minister, because he is as surprised as everyone else by developments, and he didn't know the answer to that question.

It seems his ex wives like him and have no desire to bad mouth him. The usual papers have been interviewing and no doubt trawling for bad news stories in his personal life without success (so far). The information about him sharing platforms with Gerry Adams and other alleged extremists shouldn't surprise anyone. I was impressed by the strength of feeling he showed when interviewed/challenged about these issues yesterday. As with other issues, his responses seemed both genuine and spontaneous. I haven't voted yet and hadn't planned to vote for him - I'm still reading and reflecting and observing the various candidates. The only one I ruled about at the start is Liz Kendal and nothing she's done or said during the campaign has altered that decision.

Article thid

Supporting homeopathy does not appear to have done Jeremy Hunt any harm.

Homeopathy is something that Jeremy C. and HM have in common and could have a nice chat about then, should he ever become PM.
Unless he has abolished the monarchy of course.

RoseQ

Eloethan, great post and thank you for confirming the fact that fear of the SNP did affect the voting at the GE, as I had explained , to have it did missed as rubbish was realy saying I lied .

Well, if Eloethan says it, it must be true!

Good grief AB, we don't need others to validate what we say on here.

Of course it wasn't 'clearly saying' that you lied, Anniebach, there's no need to be so melodramatic.

You said 'racism and fear won the election'. I still think that's wrong, whatever Eloethan says.

The main factor in voters choosing the Conservatives is not trusting Labour on the economy,there will be other factors too, but the economy is the main reason, it always is!

Exactly.

What a strange and contradictory article in the Daily Record. It seems to imply that Labour has become more like the despicably right-wing Tories, yet then says that Tony Blair's government (who many believe was more conservative than labour !) achieved 'many great things, including for Scotland'.
When the article mentions 'the country' I presume it means the UK as a whole and not just Scotland; however, Scotland seems intent upon having more referenda until the Scots give 'the right answer', in which case Jeremy and any possible future Labour government would be irrevelant to them anyway

Leave you to it.

Ana, I said racism and fear won the election and based this on the replies I received from many, many telephone conversations from around the country , you dismissed this as rubbish, nothing melodramatic in seeing rubbish as lies.

If as you claim racism did not win the election perhaps you can explain why Cameron kept repeating - if you vote labour you will have Alex Salmon/SNP/Sturgeon running the government , or will you did ids this as rubbish

The start of the election campaign was UKIP,UKIP,UPKIP, this then switched to SNP,SNP,SNP,SNP,SNP. This is fact and it is racism

So was UKIP, UKIP, UKIP racist too?

Excellent post, Eloethan.

The reason Labour lost the election is because the SNP won in Scotland. It was Labour seats they won, not Tory.
The reason SNP won in Scotland was because Cameron was telling everyone they would have an SNP government in Westminster if Labour won.
As Anniebach said, it was fear and racism, nothing to do with economics. I do not notice Scotland voting for any more Tories to run the economy for them.

Labour would be in power if Scotland had voted for them. And, don't bother telling me they didn't, I know that.