The Left's way forward

Cameron is a cold fish and shallow . There you are grumppa, a judgement

Oh grumppa doesn't concern me that you view the fact that I dislike Cameron as valueless because I simply dislike the man regardless of his politics ,

Proportional representation - give the electorate a greater say in the governance of the country.

grumppa,we have different views on the meaning of judging. I like Ken Clarke irrespective of his politics so why can I not dislike Cameron irrespective of his politics ? So yes I can like or dislike irrespective of politics
And I would dislike Cameron if he were a socialist or a Lib ,he just isn't a person I feel any warmth towards. No I haven't met him , never attended a Tory party conference and never canvassed for the Tory party , oh and my brother wasn't educated at Eton and I wasn't at Oxford , so no surprise we haven't met is it ?

Me too. He & George Osborne both seem to lack empathy, or at least any understanding of what it's like to have no support network when things go wrong.

I dislike him for a number of reasons, one being that I think he has on a few occasions displayed a very sexist attitude. 'Calm down dear'???

I dislike him. He shows a complete disregard for the poor in this country, and I doubt that is just to do with his politics.

But you did judge him Anniebach. To like or dislike someone is to judge them, unless the like or dislike is based on something totally irrational, in which case the opinion is valueless.

And to express a dislike for someone, leaving aside their politics, on an avowedly political thread, strikes me as irrational. I have never met Cameron, and I find him as irritating as most politicians occasionally are; but I can't say that I like or dislike him irrespective of his politics. Would you dislike him as much if he was a Socialist?

Or perhaps you have met him......

Probably sponsored by the Telegraph!

They're supposedly handing out 'Vote for Corbyn' flyers in Newcastle today. Never come across that before.

I just hate snobbery and inverted snobbery.

No place for it, says more about the person saying it than the person being spoken of.

Now hypocrisy is another thing and that does not belong to any one party does it.

Just been sent this about Yvette Cooper.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/07/23/yvette-cooper-s-campaign-is-just-a-string-of-platitudes

Compare that to Corbyn's video.

Spot on Anniebach

Just that trisha, I was always cross when people said Ed Milliband stabbed his brother in the back - no, he did not, they were both labour MP's , one on the right one more to the left , both stood for party leader, David Milliband didn't have a god given right to be leader, he lost and walked away from the party in a sulk , wonder what sort of leader he would have made !

Well said Anniebach. We seem to like the same politicians. I think it is about being honest and believing what you say. Not saying what you think people want to hear.

Judged Cameron grumppa? I did not judge him, did not mention his schooling, he is not a person I like , no idea if he is a good / bad husband and father. I liked Tony Benn very much and he was not what could be called - working class, and again I am not bringing politics into it, he was polite , had respect for women . When Jacob Rees-Mogg was on HIGNFY, I recorded it it and watched it countless times, so funny. I don't like Paddy Ashdown, liked Charles Kennedy . Don't care what schooling anyone receives , I dislike people pretending to be what they are not . And I adored Michael Foot but he was a family friend so doesn't realy count in this list . I like Jeremy Corben but have met him several times over the years due to belonging to the same protesting groups and at Michael's home

Seconded about the convincing video DJen. I have managed to miss all the leadership debates but all the clips I have seen incline me to support Corbyn.

Agreed, a postponement of the pay rise may be a good idea.

Maybe rose but hardly very clever at the moment.

That is exactly why MP's of all parties need to be paid well.

Very convincing video Durhamjen.

It will still always be easier for someone to become a politician if they have a rich family. By the time state school children have been through university, left with huge debts from that, taken on a mortgage/wife/husband/family it will still always be more difficult to embark on what could be a very precarious career move without having a rich family behind them. And I would imagine that having the right connections is still very important.

That was my point exactly, durhamjen. It was Anniebach who left politics out when judging Cameron.

As more people go to University here these days, you will see more people who were State educated enter politics. in the past, wealthy well educated people were encouraged to enter politics, it was a way of ' serving', it is only paid a fraction of what they could earn in business, so it has to be either a duty thing or someone who feels( at least when they first enter politics) a burning passion to accomplish good for the nation.
so, if more people who leave University, do a job of some kind for a few years and then stand for an MP, instead of wanting to earn big bucks for a financial corporation, then the better it will be.In order to attract talented people, MP's have to be paid a good salary.

We know that Cameron suffered terribly with the dreadful illness and then death of his little boy. we DON'T know anything at all bad about him on a personal level.I suspect that you can never leave politics out of liking somebody DJen to even ask that question.