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Royals and NAZI salutes

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vampirequeen Sat 18-Jul-15 08:28:16

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU55Bxr7T6E

1933....

Hitler has just gained power in Germany. No one really guessed what was about to happen.

A lot of people in the Britain sympathised with the NAZI ideals and admired the way they organised government. Black shirts led by Oswald Mosley held regular meetings and marches.

Edward VIII supported the NAZI party before and during the war according to --conspiracy theories--evidence. There is even some evidence that the betrayed the French (and therefore the British) by giving the Germans details of the French defences. Not long after the fall of France he was shipped out to the Bahamas where he could do no more damage.

The anti-Semitic aspect of NAZI policy was ignored because at that time Antisemitism was accepted in Britain as well. Read novels and short stories from that time and you'll cringe at the open antisemitism and xenophobia.

The video is a historical document showing how admiration for NAZI ideals permeated all the way to the highest echelons of society. It doesn't mean the Queen is a NAZI. However it is a testament to how the Royal Family felt at that time.

OMG am I defending the Monarchy again blush

merlotgran Sun 19-Jul-15 20:57:46

The Duke of Gloucester also had a speech impediment and a very high pitched voice which might have been ridiculed. He had a drink problem and had also embarked on an unsuitable love affair prior to his marriage. He was appointed regent until Princess Elizabeth came of age.

merlotgran Sun 19-Jul-15 20:59:12

That should have read, Would have been appointed regent if anything had happened to George VI.

absent Sun 19-Jul-15 21:00:09

merlotgran Well all that ran in the family.

merlotgran Sun 19-Jul-15 21:01:20

Yes. Spoilt for choice weren't they?

Anniebach Sun 19-Jul-15 21:08:07

Absent, i said not very bright because it was a kinder thing to say

vampirequeen Sun 19-Jul-15 22:02:36

I think George VI speech impediment was caused by being forced to use his right hand when he was naturally left handed. The ridicule he then endured because of this stammer made him withdrawn and shy.

Anniebach Sun 19-Jul-15 22:50:17

They were a family with many problems, there was also the youngest John who died young

absent Sun 19-Jul-15 23:57:19

George V was reported as saying something along the lines of "I was afraid of my father and my children will damn well be afraid of me" – not exactly the kind of parent to warm your heart and build your confidence. I don't think the son who later became George VI was helped by the unfortunate coincidence of being born on the anniversary of Prince Albert's death – hardly a major welcome into the world – and, very probably, being reminded about this at every birthday at least for the first few years of his life. Calling him Albert did little to placate his great grandmother's resentment of this presumption.

nigglynellie Mon 20-Jul-15 09:26:57

Curiously George Vth was a devoted and very loving Grandfather, to the Queen and Princess Margaret, both of whom were extremely fond of him. I think this happens in quite a few families, human beings are very complex!
I see Channel 4 is making a programme about the royal family and their Nazi connections! Oh dear, it's almost outside living memory but can still cause distress for some. Why oh why couldn't these keen bastions of morality at least wait until the two main players i.e., the Queen and Prince Phillip are dead. Mind you I suppose it wouldn't have the same shock horror effect then!! FGS why can't they leave these two very elderly people alone?! I know, because it sells the paper and boosts the t.v. ratings!

Anniebach Mon 20-Jul-15 09:35:44

C4 is to air a programme about one of Phillips sisters and her admiration for Hitler, as his sisters married Germans what's news about this , he is not responsible for the actions of his siblings

Eloethan Mon 20-Jul-15 10:00:07

As others have said, I feel the photograph should not be assumed to be evidence of Nazi sympathies and, of course, young girls would have had no idea of the significance of the salute which, in any event, may well have just been mimicking and ridiculing Hitler and his supporters.

However, the Observer reported yesterday that the palace has for years sought to suppress the release of damaging material showing the very close and fairly widespread links between the royals and the Nazis. This was at a time when the removal of Jewish people from public office and the escalating harassment and violence against them was being reported and known to most people in the UK.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jul-15 10:40:38

It is well reported that Churchill, the QM and more were anti Semitic , it was common to see 'no Jews' cards in lodging houses etc, this country was,like many countries, anti Semitic

nigglynellie Mon 20-Jul-15 12:35:03

I just don't see that dragging all this up after all these years is of interest or benefit to anyone. It was a completely different world then with ideas and attitudes that we would find completely unacceptable. Prince Phillip served with distinction in the Royal Navy during WW2 as did the Queen in the AT S. The king and Queen refused to leave London which they could easily have done, and did what they could to boost morale, so I don't really understand what this witch hunt is about - oh, silly me, money of course!!!

Anniebach Mon 20-Jul-15 12:58:25

And Murdoch is a republican

redorist Mon 20-Jul-15 17:20:38

Why is the Sun stirring up trouble......as children back in the forties we had to make our own fun and we would copy what was on the cinema playing cowboys and indians etc. or because of the war would play at fighting the Germans.....some would be goose stepping and heil hitlering.