Were you offended?

Non nationals include Americans, refugees and asylum seekers do not , so wrong to pass off the number of non nationals as such

I would call all this list you gave: "accommodation, a subsistence allowance, or both. As the National Audit Office put it, the accommodation provided is “typically a flat or shared house in which the asylum seeker is provided with bedding and basic kitchen equipment as well as basic furniture and access to cooking and washing facilities. Cash support to asylum seekers is limited to £36.95 per week for a single person aged 18 or over" beneficial even if it isn't 'ordinary' benefits. Bit of hair-splitting going on there, I think dj.

Which is not to say that I think people want to come here for benefits, ordinary or otherwise.

That is why I posted both sets of statistics!

Duh!

My post was to AB

So now they are going to stop the £36 paid to failed asylum seekers, suppose starving them to death will save the tax payer

Not my hair-splitting, bags. It was a quote from the fullfacts article, who hairsplit intentionally just to get the facts right.

Aren't failed asylum seekers deported?

That a benefit is beneficial is a fact. Somewhere to live and enough money to feed oneself are benefits by that normal use of a word definition. I think that's why one keep hearing the oft quoted line about people coming here for benefits. Ordinary people see housing and subsistence assistance as beneficial, which it is.

It is definitely splitting hairs, putting it politely, to say asylum seekers do not receive benefits. They do. Just differently defined ones from UK nationals.

Unfortunately too many of them are deported before they have had a chance to go to court. They have even been sent back to die in their country of origin. Teresa May has got into lots of trouble with her denial of human rights.

fullfact.org/immigration/enforcement_foreign_national_immigrants_border-42123

But that's what the quote said, bags. Now you are trying to split hairs. It said they do not receive ordinary benefits until their refugee status has been granted.
I wouldn't fancy trying to live on less than £40 a week.

Soontobe. Asylum is different to migrants. Wow!!! I never knew that.

Interesting article by Nick Cohen in the Guardian which would seem to explain some of the problem.

First I confess to not reading all the posts on this thread. I do read most of the reports about Calais and Dover and what they are putting up with . This operation stack is affecting the local population ( we have friends living in Dover) as they try and go about their daily lives.
I do not understand why Europe as a whole do not set up and system to put these would be asylum seekers through the necessary questions etc at the point of entry or exit - Italy, Greece, France etc could be helped with a multinational agency to do this. It could well be that Britain would need to scrutinise all the applications to UK as we are not part of the Schengen Agreement - we could do this where our so called border is now - Calais. Those who get the go ahead could then be given legal access to cross the Channel having had explained to them what they will be entitled to when they arrive etc.
A European fund could set up and pay for a camp for these people so that they are living and being fed in decent conditions while they wait. If their details are recorded like the biometric passports and maybe extra info such as the US use with finger prints and eye recognition - should they fail and be sent home it would be easy to process them should they try again.
The resources of the badly affected countries are in some instances not sufficient to deal with the problem humanely and properly. The holding stations could be where there is space for them and if they were nice enough it would maybe stem the desire to get to Calais town and relieve the residents of the problems they have now.
This is really a humanitarian problem just as the outbreaks of disease are - the world helps then why not these people too?

fullfact.org/live/2014/sep/illegal_immigrants_access_to_benefits-34842

I think you've misunderstood what I was trying to say, dj. Never mind.

Have you read the article by Nick Cohen? He seems to be saying part of the problem lies in our not deporting certain types and this is part of the reason so many people are resistant to immigrants now. i don't know if he's right but it's an interesting viewpoint worth listening to.

Good post, bez.

They are supposed to claim asylum at the point of entry into Europe, Bez. The reason many do not is because of the traffickers they want to get away from.

What did I misunderstand, bags?
No need to condescendingly pat me on the head. Just explain.

Many illegal migrant/ asylum seekers work in the black economy.
One of our local Indian Restaurants has been closed down because he had 6 illegal workers. That was the second time he was caught employing illegal workers. The first time it was 10.

Of course we must remember that Cameron refused to cooperate with the EU over the refugees.

I think you make a number of good points, Bez. The EU must work together on this and perhaps now it is affecting haulage contractors and their customers all over Europe, they will suddenly wake up to the humanitarian implications.

Your post of 16.14pm Anniebach is mixing up the two seperate things of assylum seekers and migrants. Your first paragraph can be migrants. And your second paragraph is assylum seeking.

One is a lot different to the other in my opinion.[speaking to everyone now]

We can feel sorry for both.
But we cannot have the whole world in this country, because our standard of living is better than elsewhere.

I will say again, that assylum seeking is a different matter.

A local Chinese was the same petra. I wonder how many there are.

"Above all, we must accept that if Britain does not admit a fair quota of refugees they will come illegally. Africa’s population is exploding and the wars and sectarian persecutions of the Middle East look as if they will never stop. People will flee dictatorship, oppression and climate change now, as they always have in the past.

I write with feeling because my great grandparents were Jewish refugees from tsarist Russia, and if show-boating, gutless know-nothings in the Cameron mould had been in charge of Britain in the early 20th century the Nazis or the communists would have wiped my family out and I would never have been born.

But it is not just me or the millions of British people with Huguenot ancestors in their families. Human beings move. We are a restless species. If you have never moved to a new country to find work, your forebears certainly did. Go back far enough in your family, my family or any family on this planet and you will find that our common ancestors were migrants. In hating them, we hate ourselves."

The final three paragraphs of Nick Cohen's article. He said far more than that, but what he said about gutless politicians ( not just Cameron if you read the whole article) is right.
We should be ashamed at the way these people in Calais are treated.