Young Britons could lose the right to claim some benefits for four years

I am sure it will Jen and the neighing from the Conservative benches will grow when he does, sadly. We need someone to show there is another way. You read more and more respected economists writing in respected journals saying that the JC standpoint is not impossible - it is a choice. The capitalists amongst the Conservatives have done a good in trying to convince everyone, including the other candidates in the LP leadership election, that their way is the only way. It is not.

The trouble I am having with this thread is that a person decides what I said rather than what I actually said and then, instead of admitting (or even apologising) that they got it completely wrong they do that thing of '^not speaking to you any more^ which imo says it all!

Off to see if there is anything more interesting/believable/reliable to read on Gn.

This thread, and actually any thread virtually, on the politics forum here, has been dominated by the loudest shouters, they are few in number but vociferous.Some of the posts on the Corbyn thread , full of such socialist fervour, choose to ignore any post they don't like, ie. Any that don't praise Corbyn to the skies.This is not debate folks, this is a left wing love in.
Nothing wrong with people having Socialist views, even if most on here probably don't have them ( I am just guessing here, but think most Labour voters are probably centre or even right leaning) but are not as extreme left wing as Corbyn.The problem is, as Nonnie stated, that others decide to interpret their views on here, instead of just accepting a statement.I have no problem with left wing views( although I can't agree with extreme left wing viewpoints) nor extreme right wing viewpoints for that matter,I am a middle of the road-er, as a lot of people are.We must all be allowed to express our thoughts on any thread at all, no thread is just for cosy little chats between like minded people
All kinds have taken advantage of the Labour voting selection, including Trotskyites, Marxists, Communists,Conservatives, Greens. it is not fraud btw, just all kinds wanting to push their own agenda.

Nonnie and Roses it is indeed impossible to have a reasoned debate in the politics threads for the reasons you have both described. I've personally given up

roses well put and what a shame as it stifles sensible debate which one would not expect from people who have lived long enough to be grandparents.

Anya too right, I stay off a lot of them partly for the reason you state and sometimes because I don't know enough about the subject which, in my case, means I don't want to sound like an idiot.

I wouldn't worry too much about 'sounding like an idiot' Nonnie after all it doesn't seem to bother some others I could (but won't) mention.

adopts a fighting pose

Ringa pakia
(Slap the hands against the thighs)
Uma tiraha
(Puff out the chest)
Turi whatia
(Bend the knees)
Hope whai ake
(Let the hip follow)
Waewae takahia kia kino
(Stamp the feet as hard as you can)
Ka mate! Ka mate!
(It is death!, It is death!)
Ka ora! Ka ora!
(It is life!, It is life!)
Ka mate! Ka mate!
(It is death! It is death!)
Ka ora! Ka ora!
(It is life! It is life!)
Tenei Te Tangata Puhuru huru
(This is the hairy man)
Nana nei tiki mai
(Who fetched the sun)
Whakawhiti te ra
(And caused to shine again)
A upa ne ka up ane
(One upward step, another upward step)
Upane, Kaupane
(An upward step)
Whiti te ra
(The sun shines!)

Wow! That sure is fightin' talk. actually it's interesting too, as I always wondered as a child where Ki ora name came from,( orange squash) maybe from Ka ora , it's life. We will never know( unless somebody here finds out.)

Anya

I think we will see this thread going dormant now, which IMO will be a good thing, as there really isn't any more to say about the OP.

Famous last words, roses!

I like famous last words Ana, they are always so amusing.

Interesting listening to DC this morning on his piece on Today about the first hundred days of this government.

He is still blustering about this four year entry into the insurance system and saying they are still negotiating. Does he really believe he will be able to exclude people in this country but apply the four years to those from the EU? I see shades of yet another failed policy.