Cameron Shaming the Country

Denmark closed the motorway link because the refugees were walking along the motorway and in danger of being run over. They want them to walk on the smaller roads.
They haven't stopped trains. They just have border checks and it is taking longer than expected. When the paperwork has been checked, they let the train through. They do not want terrorists going through any more than we do.

Well if wit was shit some would grow big rhubarb.

well Djen, you usually come up with an answer for everything on the politics thread, perhaps you can find one of your inexhaustible links.

POGS

I really must stop reading the Guardian I thought it said both road and rail links.

Reuters

So, Denmark are being slow, serious and thoughtful about the way refugees are processed into the country, and no doubt Austria too, of course, they have to sift if possible for terrorists, and so do we here in Britain, so I don't expect in that case to see rants against the government for 'taking too long' to do the same here.

www.thelocal.dk/page/view/danish-german-rail-service-resumes-amid-migrant-crisis

DJ

What was the point of that.

Read the post and it says 'temporarily' . Argument for arguments sake or what?

Just go back and read it again!
Then apologise if you know how to.

I don't understand your point .

I stated that there have been 'temporary' suspentions of road and rail links to Germany.

I mentioned the German position on migration and basically I see it as 'part' of the cause for the rise in numbers of migration.

I read your link and the Guardian and they are confirming my point.

What am I missing to apologiser for, I would if I knew what for.

I wouldn't after a bloody rude demand like that!

Oh my goodness, no wonder the rest of us have fled for cover!!! For what it's worth, I think our government is doing exactly the right thing. I understand that this country (am I allowed to say that?!) gives an enormous sum of money to help support the people in refugee centres, and we do have to be circumspect who we do or do not allow, and how many, to come to our already overcrowded creaky Island. This of course is just my opinion. (reaches for body armour and tin hat!!)

Is there an equivalent to "Little Englander" than can be applied to other members of the United Kingdom, as there have been examples of nationalistic and racist behaviour within the extremes of those that support the SNP, ditto a minority of Welsh Nationalists have at times behaved similarly towards the English and quelle surprise some have been less than magnanimous towards their immigrant population. Am I alone in thinking that fervent nationalism is some how OK for the Welsh and Scots only.

OK POGS I will have another go although you haven't answered the bit I did understand and asked you about. Do you think that such people do not exist or do you think it is unreasonable to call them to account for their extreme views because the very description "Little Englander" is used to refer to an English person?

Now to that, dare I say, rather clunky sentence.

I remain affirmed in my mind that the 'context' of when,where and how it is used is the predominant factor as to it's usage and no explanation is required it is self evident.

I remain affirmed - perhaps this means - I remain publicly showing support for or just - I still believe
in my mind - in my mind, (?) not sure about that. It seems a little tautological as we have already shown it is your view, however ...
that the context - well on it's own that does make sense ...
of when, where and how it is used - err ... isn't that tautological again. Wouldn't context have sufficed?
is the predominant factor - most important ... main influence?
as to it's usage - now I think this is where the sentence begins to lose the plot
and no explanation is required - totally understandable on it own
it is self evident - more tautology as you have already said "no explanation is required^

What you may mean is "I still believe the context of the word is the main influence on" ... on what exactly isn't said ... perhaps we will never know

I would normally never, ever, criticise how someone on the forum writes or the words they use but this seems to be the game of the last 24 hours so I felt decoding this might well be acceptable.

Terribull I tried to find out if there is a Scottish equivalent of a Little Englander but I think you need someone who live there to tell you. Google did say that the nearest English equivalent to the US "redneck" is Little Englander but that it is not exact. I suppose the lack of guns might make them different. There was an article on the birth of a new sub-species - the Political Little Englander - was that the article you quoted Jen, it was very funny.

lives not live

Gracesgran

Of course there are English people who exist who will fit the description xenophic/ignorant and boorish. The same as there are Scots/Welsh/Irish/German/Russian people who fit the same description. It would be ridiculous to assume otherwise would it not.

I eluded to that fact by saying :-

"The term 'Little Englander' can produce many variants as to it's 'use' or meaning, so the 'context ' of how,where and when it is used is the key to understanding how it was meant to be considered, rather than producing dictionary definitions that can be skewed / adapted to suit your criteria for your usage"

What the term 'Little Englander' is obviously used to be sarcastic/belittling of others views then the 'context' is pretty b----y obvious.

If you or another uses the term to make a point of your view or directly say to/about another person using the term 'Little Englander' then to use your own dictionary definition you are accusing them of being ignorant/boorish and xenophobic as those are the terms of reference you have given and consider appropriate.

The sole use of the word Englander is in turn tantamount to xenophobia ironically given the perceived meaning of the term that you have put forward to describe an ignorant/boorish xenophobe. If there was in use the term 'Little Scotlander' to describe an ignorant/boorish xenophobe I would not use it and quite rightly it would fall fowl of use for the reasons I have given.

You proffered up the words ignorant/boorish and xenophobic to make your point. Why not outrightly call a person ignorant, boorish and xenophobic if that's how you see them? Is it because using the term 'Little Englander' is is a faint hearted attempt to maintain a civil tongue , I don't know I wouldn't use the term myself .

Does that answer your question?

I don't think that it's POGS who needs to apologise

Give it a rest, GracesGran, it's getting tedious.

Lives, not live! Isn't that nit picking gg?!!

I think GG was correcting her own post there, niggly, not actually pulling someone else's post apart for a change...

POGS: alluded

I didn't "offer up" the words ignorant and boorish *POGS it was part of the dictionary definition. Yes, it's true - this expression is in common usage and even appears in the online definitions. So why, please explain, do you think you can tell someone else how they can describe a particular group. Oh yes, it's because you find it xenophobic to call a person from England an Englander ...

Have we discovered what context is the main influence on yet?

rosesarered Give it a rest, GracesGran, it's getting tedious. This from the person who thought Telling teacher? was a comment that added to the discussion.

Ana, having spent quite a few hours yesterday and today with a little clique finding fun in taking my wording apart I really don't think they can complain ... oh no they are no complaining you are joining your little friends in the clique and complaining for them. I know someone decided they could tell me I should not quote from the bible on this thread but I will, one more time - As you sow so shall ye reap. Leave me alone or put forward a thoughtful argument and I will stop doing to each of you exactly what you do to me.

Elrel, we don't go in for correcting another poster's spelling as a rule.