Cameron Shaming the Country

your use of the little englander jibe was noticed by quite a few on here GG.
you don't seem to notice that, or choose to ignore it.
We are all concerned by the plight of the refugees from Syria, and IMO this country is doing as much as it possibly can , both in taking them in over the next few years and in donating money directly to the camps.

Ana, roses You do not seem to understand or possibly do not want to understand that it wasn't a jibe - it was a description of a group of people.

My post was not about whether anyone is concerned with the plight of the refugees although some people have made it plain that they have other concerns which they think are more important. My post was about a) whether we are still a Christian country and b) what influences us in this day and age some of which seems to outweigh any influence we may have from Christian teachings.

I get that you either do not understand that this was what I said (although it was quite clear) or you are choosing not to understand and draw something from it that I did not write. You both choose to make personal comments and criticisms; neither of you has chosen to reply to the actual point I made. You, at least, roses know that I am quite prepared to report personal remarks and that GN do not like them. My comments are not about anyone personally; your comment are neither related to the thread or challenging the points I made you just continue to make personal and somewhat offensive remarks.

Telling teacher?

You are making a mountain out if a molehill Gracesgran.

I understand very well, how you used the little englander remark and it was posted before the post about Christian teachings.You answered davref's post
Who wrote at length about Europe doing more than us as a country.

My comments were very much related to this thread btw.

So it was. It's still just a description of a group who behave/believe specific things and not different to any of the other descriptions I gave as examples. To some Tory would be an insult to others it is just what they are. If you (one) come under the description why would you complain - that is your view of life.

As for making mountains out of molehills - you have just replied three times to my post. Going back to Christianity I think perhaps a look at "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?" might be worthwhile.

If we go back to the OP and the views of a certain little scotlander, perhaps we should look at the facts as far as I can ascertain them:

Scotland is over 78,700 thousand square kilometres and has a population of about 5.5 million, at a density of 65 people per square kilometre and a fairly low birthrate.

England is about 130, 000 square kilometres, has a population of approximately 55 million at a density of over 407 people per square kilometre

Surely the Scottish Parliament has the capability to make a decision about offering refuge to those in need - and a great deal of spare capacity by the look of it, without a certain scotsman trying to make political divisions over the fate of desperate people.

I understand what you meant, gg - by using the term 'little englander' you were trying to describe the thoughts and behaviour of a certain group of people, similar to using the word 'swarm' to describe a group of people rushing in one direction with one purpose in mind.

let's not start quoting the bible, it's the wrong thread.

Or, to quote Humpty Dumpty,' A word means whatever I choose it to mean!'

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I too understood how the term 'Little Englander' was used in 'context' to preceding posts.
Hence I responded to davref and said alongside the 'Little Englander' jibe it was a 'hat trick'.

The term Little Englander can reproduce many variants as to it's 'use' of meaning so the 'context' of how, when and where it is used is the key to understanding how it was meant to be considered , rather than producing dictionary definitions that can be skewed /adapted to suit your criteria for it's usage.

I don't think there are many who are unable to interpret the 'coded' message behind the given moment it is spoken nor written .

The problem with the term in general is it raises a point in question as to it's racist connotation when used in a certain manner/context, hence it is one of those terms that is best given good consideration before using it .

I wish to add I do not consider any post on this thread to have any racist context!

The message wasn't in the least bit "coded" POGS.

Are you saying there isn't a group in this country who English people who are xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often what some would term as "ignorant" and "boorish or a press that follows that line and panders to that view.

If you believe that these people simply don't exist then we would have to agree to disagree. If you do believe they do then what word/s would you use so that people can easily understand that is the group you are describing?

of not the first who.

RQ, I agree! Why would anyone give credence to anything that Alex Salmond says anyway.... Unless they are a Scot and an SNP supporter.

Comparing population and square kilometres is pointless, how many mountain ranges does England have?

I use 'little englander' . Examples - when a person refers to the English parliment , England's royal family, the whole wide Anglican Church as The Church of England, a sports reporter giving medals results ,they start with England's tally then refer to the others , the refugees want to come to England and claim benefits, want to come to England and expect the tax payers to pay, want to come to England for free health care, I have even been told England should have the most say because they contribute more in taxes .

Gracesgran

I will stand by my post .

I cannot help but have a rye smile every time the use of the definition to give credence to the term 'Little Englander' uses the words ignorant and boorish. They are words some would/could use to describe those who feel it appropriate to use the term 'Little Englander' in a manner that does not give anybody the full understanding it was used to denigrate/revile another's point of view.

As for using the word xenophobia that is the most ironic use of them all given the person who uses the term 'Little Englander' is specific in naming only one race of people only, obviously the English.

I remain affirmed in my mind that the 'context' of when,where and how it is used is the predominant factor as to it's usage and no explanation is required it is self evident.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/when-queen-began-her-reign-britain-was-more-welcoming-immigrants

I think Cameron is a little Englander.

Austria has just suspended rail links to Germany, possibly a temporary measure.

Yesterday Denmark 'temporarily' closed road and rail links to Germany.

The numbers of those trying to get to Germany has obviously become a mass movement by refugees/assylum seekers/economic migrants since Germany unilaterally suspended the Dublin Agreement.

I still think Germany will rue the day it said it will take 500.000 refugees and and I never had a reply as to how they are going to be able to uphold their promise.

Merkel clearly stated just a few days ago Germany will take 31.000 refugees over the next two years. How is this making sense?

Do you think a sports reporter just puts the countries in alphabetical order anniebach - at least I always assumed England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales as we used to recite it at school was alphabetical.

POGS of course you must stand by what you believe but I am not sure whether you are saying these extreme views are made completely irrelevant because you believe the use the word Englander for some English people is just as xenophobic as the Little Englander's way of describing what some of them refer to as "the none indigenous population". Sort of arguing that a second, in your view, wrong, makes a right. Have I read this correctly or do you simply not believe people with these views exist.

I remain affirmed in my mind that the 'context' of when,where and how it is used is the predominant factor as to it's usage and no explanation is required it is self evident.

I am afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say in this sentence so I am sorry but it makes it difficult to reply to it - perhaps you could clarify.

Not really Gracesgran if you don't understand my 'posts' I don't think I could put it any other way that make you understand.

If you and your do not comprehend 'context' that is not my problem I'm afraid.

"I still think Germany will rue the day it said it will take 500.000 refugees and and I never had a reply as to how they are going to be able to uphold their promise."

Who are you expecting a reply from? I think Merkel is busy.