Cameron Shaming the Country

Jen it was not 39% of the population that voted for the Tories it was 39% of those who voted. Only 24% of those who could have voted, voted Tory. This allows for a lot of change in future voting (thank heavens ) It also allows for a lot of very disillusioned people right now.

What a stupid argument!!

And even less support Labour. Okay?

36.9% of the population voted for the Tories. Not difficult to work out that that's not most of the population.
My grandson told me that today when he found out that 54% of Republicans think that Obama is a Muslim. That means most of them because it's more than 50%. 36.9 is less than 50% so it means most of the population do not support Cameron. Okay?

Who voted Tories in then?

Most of the UK population won't support the UK while it's led by Cameron? Really? How do you work that out?

Sorry, but there are a lot of others who will never support the UK as a whole while it's led by Cameron. In fact, most of the UK population.
Alex Salmond is right on this.

Not true at all, CelticRose. HMS Bulwark was there, and Cameron changed it for HMS Enterprise in June.
Bulwark saved over 5000 refugees. Cameron decided he just wanted to track traffickers rather than rescue refugees. This is what happens when we take no part in rescue.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/27/hms-bulwark-replacement-has-yet-to-rescue-any-migrants-in-mediterranean

Durhamjen. Don't forget the reason why there are no Royal Navy ships to help in the Med. Mr Blair saw fit to cut our defences and increase bennies. More voters. Defence budget = 40 billion. Social = 340 billion. It would be nice to live in a world free of war. But Kim Jong Il and his kind would be out of a job. What do you think to defence cut in recent Chinese military review? All those female military types marching in mini skirts - can`t they afford the material for trousers.

Well said, Rosequartz

Who caused the problem in the first place? King Hussein of Jordan said this would happen if the West interfered between Iraq and Kuwait. The whole of the UAE was against Kuwait. Now we have a knee jerk reaction because of a dead child. What do you think has been happening over the last 10 years. This is not the first child to have been caught in a war zone. Germany has a guilty conscience over 6 million Jews and even now her citizens do not want refugees. Britain has supplied most aid to these refugees. Not the act of a nation that does not care. The problem is in Damascus and it is called IS. Again, what led to this hideous and infamous cruel formation of so called Islamists. Why aren't the male refugees staying to fight against IS and sending those women and children to safety of Jordan and Turkey which are of their culture. Reportedly, there are over 4 million known refugees trying to escape Syria. In fact, news programmes keep showing very young children and babies. Who would want to bring new life into such an uncertain and dangerous world. Is Europe the easy option. And why aren't we giving asylum to the Afghans who helped the western coaltion. AS is a bitter, single minded man who lost his Scottish crown and will never support the UK as a whole.

Does not Doles!

Many Syrians are fleeing Assad, many are fleeing IS.
This is hypothetical, but if those who want to live in a peaceful Syria flee and are accommodated not far from their homeland, with our help, then Assad and IS obliterate each other, then those who want a peaceful existence would be able go back to their country and re-build it with UN help.
I am sure most do not want to leave their homes, the land of their birth. They just want to live a peaceful and fulfilling existence, bringing up their families without fear, the same as we do.

Or is that an impossible thought?
Doles humankind always throw up these murderous people, every generation?

I do despair.

NotTooOld said I could.

if I ruled the world
djen are you Harry Secombe's DD?

" It's not just the poor or the refugees, even those Syrians with good income have been looking at making the perilous journey overseas. With the country destroyed, and more than half of the population now displaced, there is no future left in Syria. The surrounding countries can no longer cope with the burden. There is just nowhere to go.

Even as a wealthy educated Syrian there is no escape. In a recent trip to the Lebanese Bekaa valley, I met a Syrian surgeon: he had owned three homes in Syria, his children were in university. Now they live in a cardboard box on the side of a road. Initially, they were able to cope with the war he told me. They sold a house and took their savings out of the bank.

When their second home was destroyed in an airstrike they fled Syria. They survived on savings. They sold their third home, but for a pittance as there were few left to buy. The father searched for work in Lebanon, but there was nothing for Syrians, said. More than four years in, the savings have finished, and there is nothing left to do but try to escape."

Where does this family fit in?

I did not mean stop them embarking on the journeys. I meant help them on their way, to wherever they want asylum. No point in sending them back to Africa or Syria, where they will just be killed.

Germany is willing to take 800,000 refugees this year, but what about next year and subsequent years? How many years can they keep this up before Germany too becomes over crowded, and unable to cope. How long before indigenous Germans start to say, enough is enough. I do agree that the idea of patrolling the relevant Mediterranean coasts to try and stop people embarking on these desperately dangerous journeys.

Cameron is a despicable hypocrite. "As a father..." he says, not giving a tuppenny damn how many children drown or suffocate trying to escape war, just so long as they don't reach our shores.

You rotten thing, NotTooOld. I was enjoying that, spreading happiness and comradeship.
Unfortunately it hasn't reached Cameron yet.

If he does not take a greater part in resolving the crisis, it will be the end of his hopes for negotiating new terms with Europe. Merkel will fall out with him.

I believe that the reason the ship patrols stopped was that the traffickers were often capsizing their own craft within sight of the rescuers, and the thinking was, that it encouraged even more to go to sea.Which of course, it very likely would.

No, I really don't think that the refugee problem will be the end for a PM who has only just been re-elected. This would be a huge problem for whoever was the PM at the time.The Government have been attacked for not getting immigrant figures down already,other countries like Greece and Spain are in economic trouble so there is a limit for them, Germany is doing well on this issue, but they are doing well financially and are a large country.The other factor is that a lot of the Syrian refugees only want to go to Germany.

Dumpling, they do not all want to come here, despite what Cameron and co would have you believe.
Roses, last year there was a system to patrol the Mediterranean and rescue people, organised by Italy. Cameron decided he did not want anything to do with it. The British boats in the Med are now tiny compared with last year.
If we and Spain patrolled the African coast and took them off boats there, and Greece and Italy did the same near Turkey, we could stop them drowning.
We just need the will.

Can't think who'd take over though - GO certainly doesn't seem popular with either the left or right.

Sorry folks I posted and ran to look after my own little refugee - although in her case she need refuge from life around her that can be so confusing.

I intended to use the word refugee rather than migrant as the "need" time span for caring for these refugees is much shorter than it is for economic migrants. From the news broadcasts, etc., that I have managed to hear today it sounds as if the answer will come from the people rather than our so called leaders although I have to commend Yvette Cooper for bringing it down to understandable amounts by suggesting if each town took 10 refugee families we could take as many as 10,000 in one month.

It's an awful situation but what would we hope for if it was in reverse and we were being bombed, shot at and driven from our homes?