Cameron Shaming the Country

Some good and honest posts from you CelticRose, you have a good grasp of what's going on in the world , the UAE should certainly be doing their utmost for the Syrian refugees, instead of looking the other way.

Eloethan, that is what I meant, Cameron will take in refugees if the majority of the public change their opinions , he doesn't give a stuff about what is morally right

In your opinion Anniebach!

As has been said, that's how democracy works, Anniebach. You can't possibly know what DC thinks personally about the crisis or what is 'morally right'.

David Cameron and the PM of Portugal have just given a media interview and Sky News covered it, BBC News had Victoria Derbyshire on?

Cameron has restated the UK has already taken 5.000 Syrian refugees and the UK will continue to take refugees but the UK will take the refugees from camps near to Syria. The UK and America are the top two countries for giving aid.

I think it is a perfectly fair point to make that by taking refugees from the area you are not aiding and abetting the traffickers,' you are making the journey to the countries who are willing to take them safe and the country that takes them is assured they are genuine refugees from a particular country. I have absolutely no argument with those points. The alternative is what we are seeing now and the winners are the traffickers.

Germany has unilaterally chosen to suspend the Dublin Agreement. That is why the refugees are now saying they want to go to Germany. Germany has no right to then expect other countries to do the same and no country should be blackmailed into doing Germany's bidding either. There are 28 countries in the EU and they are not in agreement .

It is said the refugees are fleeing for their lives. Nobody can argue with that but why then do they feel they have a right to 'demand' free movement without going through the correct process. I would have thought if I was fleeing for my life I would gladly go through whatever process was required of me to be accepted.

I saw a refugee being interviewed who said he had a better life in Syria .

This whole situation has so many scenarios it is a minefield to navigate and I think the solution is to accept refugees from overseas it is utter madness as it stands at the moment.

I have just been reading about that POGS, yes, the refugees will be taken from camps set up for them on the Syrian borders and brought here, a far better thing than to encourage the traffickers and also nobody will be drowned doing it that way.Whatever Cameron feels personally, he is the PM of a country and can't just do 'as he likes' but has to listen to all others and take advice, as others have said, that is democracy.We are also, it turns out one of the biggest donors in aid for them in the camps there, so to all those on this thread who say'we do nothing and give nothing' you are completely wrong.The government also has a duty to it's own people that immigration is kept as low as possible, it has been castigated on this forum and in the media for not keeping figures low enough.

Yes Jane10, in my opinion, I hear he has changed his mind since his interview yesterday morning

Has he changed his mind?

He has maintained his stance that the UK is one of the top humanitarian aid contributors , we have already taken 5.000 Syrian refugees but he has reiterated the point the UK has worked with / will continue to work with agencies working with the refugees abroad.

Yes he has said this morning we will now take more refugees

In your opinion Anniebach! That would be my opinion too Jane10. The interesting thing will be just how many people have that opinion as this government in turn lashes out at the less able and limps into pleasing as many people as it can for five minutes, no matter what the effect. Embarrassing tan man has now returned from holiday so DC's buddies can alert him to his malfunctioning tin ear that yet again hears only what it wants too.

In MY opinion DC has done the right thing: he's taken time, soundings from others and come up with a much more useful plan- to take Syrians who need help direct from camps on their border. The alternative, just blindly opening our doors to whoever presents themselves as asylum seekers would in MY opinion be extremely foolish and ultimately to be greatly regretted -too late.

Jane10 I would suggest that instead of Cameron having been thinking long and hard about changing his position on this, he has been totally embarrassed by how callous he appeared to be in the first place and how much the stance he was taking might have damaged his political image in Britain and the World.

But that is just your opinion Jane10 which any of us may agree with or disagree. I really can't see the point of saying "but that's just your opinion XYZ" unless someone has presented an opinion as fact. We are all taking different stands on this and all are allowed an opinion.

I would think more of your attack on Anniebach expressing her opinion if you had offered some facts to show she had formed the wrong one - otherwise why say it? What Annie said is "that is what I meant ... he doesn't give a stuff about what is morally right". That is obviously someone's opinion; this is a forum for opinions. You are offering your opinion - so where is the problem.

Can anybnody forget their political views for one moment and answer me this.

What is wrong with the view that the UK has/will continue to take in refugees by continuing to work with the refugee organisations actually processing applicants at the camps who have taken refugees in? The reason being they will have a guaranteed safe passage and not falling into the hands of traffickers or putting their lives on the line by trying to cross the sea in totally inadequate dingies/boats.

What is wrong with the UK taking refugees from the camps abroad guaranteeing they are genuine refugees in need of help and not economic migrants or simply somebody trying to gain entry to the UK because they see it as a way to not go through the proper channels.

I am also fed up to the back teeth of being told the UK is a disgrace, the UK is a country full of people with no empathy when this country is giving humanitarian aid far beyond what other countries are giving . I think the question is where is the United Nations in all this. Why are other countries not talking in refugees .

Well he wouldn't accept people who swarm would he . He changed his mind because public opinion , media etc is at last getting through to him that he risks becoming unpopular , and all his holidays have ended

As for Cameron not 'giving a stuff' I don't agree'

He can't win can he. He is the first PM to guarantee/ring fence 0.07 percentage of our income goes to overseas aid.

Oh silly me I should have realised that the red grans would not like anyone to disagree with them or indicate that that DC is anything other than a moral vacuum!
Anyway back to agreeing with POGS!

How do you know he changed his mind? How does anybody know?

Well said, POGS. A more heated discussion on DISQUS. Gransnet quite polite in all. And why aren't the Arab states rushing to help their own? Shame on them with all that land and all that money.

Gracesgran Embarrassing tan man! How did Mr BLiar get into this post. Oh. Of course. He is Envoy of the Quartet in the Middle East after all. He will sort out matters - just as he did when he was PM here.

Of course I expect someone to post back and say... Celtic. Haven't you noticed that the crises - plural not a typo for once - seemed to escalate as soon as Mr BLiar WAS elevated to Envoy in the Middle East.

Wrong Jen, I was critical of Blair over Iraq, and I think calling posters Red Grans is offensive,

POGS et al. Could not agree more. Keep up the good work.

It puzzles me that when we are shown camera shots of crowds of migrants, most of them appear to be fit young men. I hope DC is able to weed out the families with young children as those deserving of refuge in the UK.

Not much has been said about allowing more Muslims into the country. I know this will be very controversial but don't we have enough trouble with that group without allowing numbers to increase?

I now duck below the parapet.

Well said, POGS. David Cameron is right to address the situation by taking refugees from the camps - so we know what we're getting. We also expect our government to continue protecting our borders. I wouldn't put it past ISIS to have more terrorist activities on the boil whilst everyone is distracted by the crisis taking place all over Europe.