Jermy Corbyn elected

pesky ??? still around!

Ok, FarNorth
But the main thrust of everything that has been said about him and what his supporters say is that this is a return to 'Old Labour'.

outside the conference hall in Westminster where the leadership result was announced Mr Corbyn??s jubilant backers chanted: ??Old Labour, not New Labour.??

Poor old Jeremy may well have a knee problem.

rosequartz I'd say it doesn't matter if younger people think they are getting Old Labour when they aren't really.
As long as they know what they are getting and want that.

I do wonder what would happen if you'd had a knee replacement ....

Or knees which lock like mine

How can a British person be anti-British? Not kneeling or curtseying or bowing to the queen doesn't make you anti-British.

it sounds like common sense to me. A pity she doesn't put an end to it herself.

Perhaps someone on here can answer me this:

People keep saying that the election of JBC as Leader is a good thing because it has taken Labour back to Old Labour, to its roots and what the Party fundamentally believes in. I can see that this could be thought to be true by many younger people who did not live through that era.
However, I was brought up in an 'Old Labour' household and the politicians of yesteryear do not seem to have been so anti-monarchist, anti-establishment, anti-everything that Jeremy is.

Later on, Harold Wilson reputedly had one of the best relationships with HM of any Prime Minister of any party.

So how does real 'Old Labour' square with what Jeremy is bringing to the table please?

I will tell you how SOME people make a success of their lives,it's certainly not by sitting on their assess saying poor me ,I need and deserve help.
Not everyone was born with a silver spoon,or even well off,with some its shear hard work and dedication.And believe me,most of us poor genuine working class wouldn't appreciate anyone's patronising,thank you very much.

gg yes I do agree about AN and JC. They go beyond their remit at times just to show how clever they are and pursue an agenda regardless of where the conversation is leading, it drives me mad as the interviewees of any persuasion can't develop their point. Of course they should be challenged we must expect nothing less but somehow........ mind you it also drives me insane when the interviewees have clearly not done their homework, or aren't robust enough to knock back the interviewers questions.

Jen thank you for the previous link. Did you (anyone?) Richard Murphy on the Daily Politics? I do wish Andrew Neil would move on and become a commentator rather than an interviewer as he does seem to think it is all about him - not just with this so called interview but with people from the left, right and centre. What RM did manage to say (while Neil gave his opinion) was interesting and he was prepared to challenge the other viewpoint (AN's) being put forward.

I wish JC would refuse to kneel, the resulting panic in Westminster would be great. What do you do if the most democratically elected leader of the opposition ever won't conform?
As far as the Royal Family goes I think we should replace them with a Royal Re-enactment Society and stage events in palaces everywhere. The Civil War re-enactment society does very well. Members of the family could apply for a place. The tourists would love it.

Thank you Elegran.
I have been pinning my hopes on getting the sooper dooper quick broadband.
Perhaps it is more than that.

Suppose you think he is waiting for Russia to attack us soon

I am heartened by your posts Eloethan.

I thought trisher was going to start a thread about British, anti-British. Not establisment, anti-establishment, which is something different?

I think, if someone seems anti-monarchy, and anti-defence in a less than robust way, then it makes me question whether he is anti-Brittish. And now the question has been brought up, I would have to say that I think he is.

I think it is naive to think that every MP, and everyone in the country, is pro-British.

STB Such a slow computer reaction doesn't help you in a conversation. I'd say you need either a new pooter or to clear out the debris that has collected in your old one. Try downloading Ccleaner (free) and using it every week or so. It works wonders for computer speed.

soontobe Trisher is starting another thread on a different issue. Your comments relate to this thread, which is about Corbyn being elected. It was you who said, after calling JC "anti-British, "Great idea to start a thread". As I said before, perhaps you'd like to elaborate on that sweeping statement.

There is a certain amount of resentment towards England from all other parts of the UK. It would seem to me to be partly historical in origin - and quite understandable in my view. Wales, Scotland and
N. Ireland had no autonomy whatsoever and were ruled by England even to the extent of imposing the English language on them. This elevation of RP English at the English language being imposed on them or their accents being derided. Until quite recently some people were told to lose their accents if they wanted to succeed. I think that has changed to some extent but it is still the case that SE England/London are treated as more important and worthy of attention than other parts of the UK. People in northern England and Cornwall have been known to express these views too - and they are English.

I say that as somebody born in, and living in, London and I am not anti-English (or anti-British). But I did detect in myself a hint of this England-centric attitude when I found myself surprised, watching a quiz show, that a Scottish person living in Scotland found it difficult to name English counties - until I realised that I would be equally hard pushed to name Scottish counties.

By the way, my machine takes about 15 minutes to download and upload a post on a long thread like this. [dont ask, waiting for B T], so dont expect any quick replies.

That's good to know about the kneeling business Devorgilla and no doubt that's the kind of detail JC will want to know. He's not going to nitpick on live TV about this sort of thing in his first week.

You're spot on too about the right wing press. At the moment it has little policy wise to criticise because he's not finalised any yet with his Cabinet. Good to see him announcing the position on the EU though. Other snippets are coming out, but not being acknowledged by all of the right.

His stamina does concern me though, but even if he is paving the way for someone else to move the party in the right direction, I can live with that.

anti - British
anti - English
anti - establishment

or merely a rebel?

I didnt realise all these sentiments could exist.

Which is JC?
And others.

I am not anti-British
I am not anti-English
I am not anti-establishment[not exactly quite sure what that means, guess I will learn more from trisher's thread]

Am I a rebel?
In my own little way I might be. But not against the above I dont think.

What I think too, as anyone who has actually read my oft repeated arguments in favour of freedom of expression would know, eloethan (that is a finger point):

He would be kneeling to the office of monarch, slightly different to kneeling to a particular person. He needs to be in the Privy Council to have the same information as others in his position in Government so he can make more informed decisions and also argue a different viewpoint if such a thing is allowed. I expect he inclines his head as all MPs seem to to the Speaker on exiting the Chamber.
Given the nit picking in the Tory Press over everything he does I suspect they are a lot more scared than they let on. I was brought up to believe that if you have to be nasty to someone on that level it usually means the person being attacked has the superior argument.
I didn't support him for leader but agree with a lot of his principles and I think he is making a good fist of it so far.

Doh! wrong should have read insult

AnnieBach the six nations is exactly what I was thinking about! Those stirring anthems!

Rebellious doesn't mean wrong to me either.

I like the words used by trish very much, very fitting.

It is funny isn't it that "rebellious" is seen as an insult by some. No doubt the Blairites referred to JC as this when he voted against them. So he probably wouldn't mind. If anyone has been posting anti left wing views I would like to know how they reached this point of view- see Establishment- Anti-Establishment thread

Wilma, when it comes to sport I become anti English, the six nations ! it's a tradition . I am Welsh then British, have no wish for home rule for Wales, just equality for Wales