Jermy Corbyn elected

He's rebellious against certain 'establishment' things, isn't he? I think you are interpreting rebelliousness as always being somehow wrong. I don't see it like that at all.

How do you know they aren't shared by a majority, ab?

Why does having beliefs not shared by a majority mean a person is rebellious thatbags?

Trisher puts it more emotionally than I do with her: "I see in Corbyn the re-emergence of a long and rich history of progressive left wing views".

I don't want to point fingers, elothan, and that should be clear from my posts in which I haven't pointed any at anyone. I said that perhaps JC was being rebellious. He is rebellious and has been for a long time. I did not comment about whether I approved of that or not. Saying someone is rebellious when they are rebellious does not come into the definition of finger pointing. So kindly back off with your defensive remarks about insults and don't read into my posts what isn't there.

"Jeremy Corbyn is a rebellious cove" is a statement of fact. That is all. I could add that it's apparently what makes him popular. That's an opinion. There is nothing judgmental or insulting about that opinion either.

soon as a Scot there probably is still a smidgen of anti-English in my body, but it usually only appears in connection with sport. As an adult I consider myself British before Scots, perhaps because I have lived in England all my adult life (just this week I made this distinction on a form).

I don't mind the monarchy, but I don't want to pay for it.

I like living in England, but would move back to Scotland for a number of reasons, if my circumstances enabled me to do so. If I had been living in Scotland at the time of the independence referendum, I would have voted Labour because I don't think Scotland would be better off outside the UK (but it would have been a hard choice and a decision I lived to regret). I will play my small part in fighting for a better life for us all at the ballot box.

Life isn't always as black and white as most of your questions imply. A lot of the time you accept how things are and live your life. It does not make me anti-British or unpatriotic.

As an obscure backbencher, I'm sure JC knows how parliamentary daily life works, but as for the minutiae of what happens if you get elected as a party leader, I see no reason to call him a liar. He doesn't strike me a a liar at all.

Eloethan, soon thinks those on the left are anti English too !

Eloethan, it is trisher who is starting another thread.

Corbyn's parents met on anti-fascist marches against Franco's Spain.

Here's something to cheer up the lefties.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/09/17/the-telegraph-endorses-peoples-qe/

Good press for Corbyn in the Telegraph. I wonder why.

I assume you are referring to Jeremy Corbyn as being anti-British soontobe? Since you have made the remark on this thread perhaps you would like to elaborate on that sweeping statement on here before you start up another thread.

I am totally willing to be persuaded otherwise though.

Do I think of him as anti-British?
Having thought through for a few minutes, yes I do, now you come to mention it.

Great idea to start a thread.

I am gobsmacked by the reactionary and outdated views on this thread. I'm starting a new one about how people got where they are today. But I will add on here that I see in Corbyn the re-emergence of a long and rich history of progressive left wing views. These were largely responsible for the free society we have today, and to condemn left wingers as anti-British is failing to appreciate where your freedoms have come from. If it had been left to the establishment and the aristocracy we might be living in a totalist state. And if you think that is far-fetched you should realise that many of the establishment would have liked to see a similar movement in this country in 1939 to that in power in Germany. It was the left wing anti-fascists who fought against them.

To my mind.

You dont defend something that you are not very enamoured with in the first place.

You dont obey something that you are not very enamoured with in the first place.

[not sure where the 200 milliom are. In the US? They like the monarch on the whole from what I know].

I dont think that soldiers/airmen/sailors voting left wing, assuming that they do, is quite the same. When they enlist, a lot of them are very young. I dont think they think about the politics very much when joining.

thatbags sand soontobe I think it is highly insulting to suggest that people who are critical of UK policies or archaic practices are somehow less patriotic than anyone else.

If you want to point fingers at people who are not patriotic, point them at the many wealthy British individuals - some of them well known - who choose to reside abroad for most of the year so as to avoid paying their taxes here. Or companies which, for the same reason, locate their registered offices abroad. Please read the book "Treasure Islands: Tax Havens and the Men who Stole the World" and re-direct your objectionable remarks to those who have no affection for this country - or indeed any other country - but only see nations, their natural resources and their populations in terms of how much money they can make out of them.

Those in this country who campaign for people to be treated decently are not unpatriotic - quite the opposite. They are the ones who get off their backsides to try and change things and if it weren't for people like that, we would still be living in the dark ages.

Those saying that JC is not clever enough are being a bit naive - you don't survive over 30 years in politics without being astute and ambitious. However, whether at his age he still has the drive is another matter.

I am sure he was well aware that he would have to kneel before the Queen when being sworn into the Privy Council, perhaps he was trying to divert the question!

It seems there are two extreme views about him, on the one side he is practically St. Jeremy, on the other he is satan personified! I am somewhere in the middle, I don't agree with a lot of his previously stated policies but I think he should be give a chance to settle into the job before we start throwing flowers or brickbats.

.rosequartz the majority of the welsh are left wing, brought sbout by the inhuman trestment of those who worked in the iron works , coal mines and slate quarries. soon asked why the left had a problem with the English !

People do not flock to this country to see the queen, considering she less than six months a year in bunk house they have little chance of seeing her if they wanted to.

If she is the reason tourists flock! here why would the tower have more sightseerers thsn buck house? Even the London eye gets more visitors

If the monarchy was abolished tomorrow there would be no drop in number of tourists

Kneeling before the queen is wrong, why should one human being kneel before another

Wonder how many go into politics with being invited to join the privy council in their minds

Just...opinions from everybody on here, that's what we do, it's a chat forum and all is our own opinion.

Or even Welsh anniebach

Like your own post whitewave, mine was accompanied by question mark(s)

Neither assumptions nor opinions - just questions

???

soon, people can be on the left and be English .

rose that is a lot of assumptions you are making, or just opinions?

marmarkWhat makes me miserable? I am one of the most optimistic people you could meet, and e tremely happy and thankful for my lot in life. I am a supporter of the left because as I said to soon I am aware that there are many that are not so lucky as myself and I must therefore support them as far as is possible, just like the consensus that existed when I was a child which built the Welfare state.

Because they want a boring republic?
Because they resent the number of tourists from all over the world who flock here, helping the economy, and who envy GB its monarchy and traditions but stop them going about their daily business?
Because they want to be President with a calvalcade of cars swooping through us minions and to live in a presidential palace?
Who knows.

Anyway, my question is:
Who or which will change the most?:

JBC who hates all this tradition and ceremony and would like to sweep it all away
Or Great British tradition to accommodate JCB as Leader of the Opposition?

Answers on a postcard - sorry, on a post, please.