Jermy Corbyn elected

"introduce fines of up to £20,000 on unions if pickets do not wear an official armband"

That's to stop the bully-boys intimidating people who want to work. I'm all for it.

A shadow of Secretary of State for Wales who speaks Welsh , .

Who could forget Redwood in the job

Thanks for a sensible reply Jingle

I do not agree with busing in scabs

I hate that language - so much. It shouldn't be used. Not in the present day.

Who could forget Redwood in the job grin

He could have made an effort to learn the National Anthem, or even have sung it in English, rather than looking like a fish.

Jingle , are you going all PC

rosequartz , it was the way London regarded Wales at that time

No. It has shades of the violence during the miners' strike. Dark days.

I almost got to give birth by candle-light. Shame it was our turn to have the leccie.

You don't have to win an election to make a difference.
I was part of the "Loony Left" back in the 80s. We never won an election but a lot of the ideas that were derided then are mainstream now.
Did the suffragettes ever form a government? I don't think so..... but they changed women's lives for the better.

So what if Jeremy doesn't get to be PM. If he changes politics and makes it less bland and cynical, good for him!

durhamjen's point re hypocrisy is, I think, very apt.

I do think Diane Abbott was wrong and hypocritical to send her son to private school but, perhaps deservedly, she has never been able to live it down. On the other hand she was one of the very few Labour MPs who voted against invading Iraq - a brave and personally damaging thing to do at the time.

But if we're looking for an example of a hypocrisy to beat all hypocrisies, I would nominate that classic Cameronism: "We're all in this together". Needless to say, it doesn't get much of an airing these days.

Just back from my hols! and lo and behold! Yippee!

Just been skimming the posts over the past 17 pages, and am not very surprised at some of the comments, nor am I surprised by the savagery by the right wing press.

Stepping back a bit from the debate, what I feel is that this referendum has at the very least energised and involved those that feel alienated from the politics that has been on offer over the recent decades. I don't think it is about Corbyn so much as him being a channel for a movement that is happening in the UK as well as the rest of the Western world, particularly amongst the young. This movement is a result of all those people who disagreed with the wars over the past 10 years, the economic crises, which they didn't cause but from which they have been forced to share the biggest burden, along with tuition fees, racism, inequality in all areas amongst other many others. Corbyn has a lot of expectations to met.
Of course we cannot comment yet on policies, they are yet to be decided. Th

What referendum? Must have missed that...

Anniebach

I take your point re speaking welsh. I have no idea if Stephen Crabb does or does not speak Welsh? Do you know?

It did however remind me of Leanne Wood , Plaid Cymru who had to admit to 'learning' the welsh language during the Scottish Referendum.

I believe the use of the Welsh language is declining and only 20% of the population can speak Welsh, I am sure you will correct me. I actually think 20% is quite high but not if you are making the observation that it is a beneficiary requirement for governance reasons.

I remember watching an ex Ambassador to Argentina talking of Pategonia and how Carwyn Jones and the Welsh Government send their documents to Pategonia for translation. Funny old world.

Jingle , considering most of the violence was from the police and considering the lies from the police over Hillsborough - under orders from Thatcher, perhaps scab is a word more suited to police than those who betray fellow workers who are fighting for their jobs and homes

First positive move

16 women in shadow cabinet
15 men.

A FIRST!!!!! Emmeline would be so pleased

Pleased with the note of moderation by Tory front bench, let's hope Corbyn's influence continues.

POGS, no idea what you were watching but what a load of rubbish , the first minister speaks fluent welsh as do many members of the assembly , please do some thinking, why on earth would the welsh government in Cardiff, South Wales send papers to Patagonia to have them translated from Welsh into English , we have question time held in Welsh

whitewave, according to the BBC education and health are not top jobs

I take that with a pinch of salt I am afraid, the media is falling over itself to provide a negative slant but it doesn't matter. Corbyn has now to prove himself to his voters, so let wait and see how his policies etc develop. I like the idea of inclusiveness, and interested how this will happen in practice. Of course social media is a major player, as we can see already. I have already received e-mails asking for my opinion etc.

Blimey a bit ohhhh about that!! Different twittering on GN but when asked for my opinion when it might actually be put into the general pot for policy puts a whole different slant on responsibilty

One thing to put forward I think is something to do with climate change - all looking a bit dodgy.

The violence was all orchestrated by the police during the miner's strike. If you push people too hard and hedge them in with unnecessary restrictions of course they will respond by becoming impatient. The police knew what they were doing.
JC said in his speech that it was necessary to recognise businesses and workers and that one is dependant on the other. The Tories are as usual bashing the workingman and then expecting business to flourish. Zero hours contracts and low wages do no one any good

John McDonnell is being criticised as shadow Chancellor. One thing in his favour compared to Gideon is that he is very bright, a hard hitter and not an ex-member of the Bulingdon club. His ideas on the economy is also being supported by many economists. I bet old Gideon wishes he had the same support.

Well what a debate from a mature? Community lots of defensiveness and some quite unpleasant replies. What happened to just reasonable debate respecting people's views. Eloethan thank you for mentioning my comments. I do just want to say that...without being defensive I didn't say anything about hysteria as a reason for voting...I was merely shocked that a key selection process should be conducted without leadership criteria being important and evidence of experience and skills etc being taken into account. 30 years as an MP unless he achieved some remarkable achievements means little without having had a leadership position/ ministerial position of any kind. I have worked for and in leadership potions myself and have recruited Executive Senior and Global leaders for FTSE top 100 companies so I gave some idea of what might be required when you are selecting Top Talent! I have no issue at all re your comments about shareholders revolt, it's important that all levels have some say...however they still don't go on to select the Board.
I like your comments Jackthelad.reality will set in soon about the scale and complexity of this role for Corbyn....if it hasn't already, Union leaders are talking, but Corbyn hides from the media and PMQs, he's probably having a crash course in media training. Yes of course let's see what happens, but can he really really cope practically and intellectually with this role?