Jermy Corbyn elected

Gordon Brown had no sight in one eye; that made him look shifty. I thought he was [and is] a thoroughly decent man/politician but, as with Robin Cook 'his looks were against him'.

So many people who have no wish for Labour to win telling them what they are doing wrong ...

Of course, if they read our threads - and of course they must do!! they will take note of what we say and adjust accordingly and consequently have a landslide victory in 4yrs 8months' time!

Perhaps anyone who does not wish Labour to win should just shut up and let them carry on; reverse psychology.

Now, back to that spreadsheet for JBC.

( I have a feeling of deja vu - didn't we have similar threads when the Tories won the General Election? - and continuing ....

The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts and embodies values that reject killing fellow human beings for whatever reason.
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Do you have a problem with that S2B?

It happens with all political parties everywhere, all religions etc.

Well yes Gracesgran. What do you expect?

Brown I mean, not that **** Blair.

The issue of white poppies.
In my opinion, if people want to wear them, Remembrance Day of all days, is notthe day to do so.

He used to seem solid and plodding, in fact also a bit shifty to me and I used to wonder what his nice wife saw in him.
Then all that seemed to 'lift' from him when he left office.

So many people who have no wish for Labour to win telling them what they are doing wrong ...

rosewuartz, I never met Thatcher or Major, met Blair and Brown , leaving politics out of this - Brown was and is charismatic , I agree not on tv , but he has it in spades , Blair did tv charm I will grant that

Think that you can get away with having no charisma in politics if you come across as rather bland and non threatening [eg Cameron, Major]. Whatever happens over the next few months/years, politics has, at least suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.

I never ever thought of Gordon Brown as charismatic, but, watching him speak in the Scottish Referendum debate I thought he came to life at last and showed some spark of charisma!

All we can do is wait and see without the help of a crystal ball.

Odd, though, how, when some people put forward strongly held points of view, they are told they are getting 'hot under the collar' and it is hinted that they should perhaps 'calm down dear', but when others refuting those points and putting forward equally strongly held but different points of view sometimes sound as if they have leapt from a fiery cauldron themselves.

No point in having fervently held views unless you are allowed to express them freely in a democracy.

Love them or loathe them, Thatcher and Blair did have charisma.

As for John Major...ha, ha!

Anni that is precisely my point. Ed Milliband- if I remember rightly came in on the Union vote.
I am ddressing the situation as it is now, not how it should be. If the MPs are now to change their views because of a lot of outside voters.
They themselves were voted in on their own politics, a democratic win from the voting booth.Now they are expected to change.

I think the present MPs and their voters are the democratic majoriy if you were to count the people who voted for them. Those who never in their wildest dreams would think that the UK would leave NATO.
It will be difficult for him to manage but maybe he will succeed. Time will tell.
It really doesn't matter what poppy he wears if any.
Where I worked before I was married there was cleaner whose husband was the radio technician on plane. He was killed and she never received one penny not any help from the British Legion.
I have never bought poppies.

Thatcher, Major, Blair , charismatic ?

We have more than one family member with the initials JC - never really thought of it at all beforehand. I think they would include their middle initial most of the time.

Perhaps we should call him JBC? (not to be confused with JCB she adds hastily!).

Whitewave

I agree he has said he wants to be inclusive and will listen to the party, admirable though that is if he was PM he will most certainly have to take immediate decisions of security etc. He has been elected as Leader and at some point must make /take the final decision, he will always have to offend someone, that's the nature of being Leader.

A party which is so divided as Labour are at the moment will be possibly having internal ranglings going on for a long time and I would think at some stage somebody will have to decide what the party policies are and it will be up to other Mp'S to say they agree or not but for some the change in policy may prove a step too far.

They need someone charismatic to lead and win a GE and it is not J.C. who will be over 70 when the time comes. Nothing wrong with being over 70 but a charismatic leader is essential if they want to win.

It isn't Remembrance Sunday until 8th November, trisher, so he's got plenty of time to make up his mind which colour, if any, poppy to wear.

gracesgran et al

Do you honestly believe Corbyn will be able to set in place everything he said he would do during the many hustings and media interviews?.

He will not let you down over:-

The UK should become a Republic.

He is not a massive fan of the EU so presumably would vote to leave,

Promises to get rid of Trident.

Promises to print money through PQE

He will take the UK out of NATO

Those are the main points I believe Corbyn has secured his leadership win by calling for, or am I wrong again?

I stand by my thought that if Corbyn does not secure his goals then there will be a lot of people who saw him as a 'conviction politician' 'breath of fresh air', 'man of principle who will not let them down' as nothing more than a rebel who did not give them what they expected of him. It would be the equivalent of Clegg and the tuition fees , a right royal let down .

Now if Corbyn pulls it off then even I would have to respect him for that but he is going to have a heck of a battle on his hands.

As for the right wing press I think you need to reflect on the fact that topics such as the poppy and will he attend the Cenotaph are questions asked of him 'by his own party', not the right wing press. There is obviously a division between him and McDonnel and the rest of his party, even the cabinet he has chosen. So apportion blame where you want but Corbyn will be scrutinized and you will hear things you don't want to.

Sorry to see the attempt of sarcasm when I read 'Calm down Dear' it does not offend but can we try and raise the tone a tad.

Wonder how many countries have a national anthem which praises it's head of state not it's country, I love my national anthem

Ed Milliband did not win the leadership through votes of the majority of MP's , his brother had more of the MP's vote thsn he did Mariann

Maybe he can't sing? There are quite a few people I know who I would prefer not to join in when something is sung.
I am sorry if he didn't wear a white poppy. The common held belief that white poppy wearers don't respect those who died in wars is so wrong. The original white poppy was the idea of women who had lost sons, brothers, fathers and husbands in WW1. The white poppy remembers not just servicemen but all people who have died in wars everywhere and shows a belief that there are other ways to resolve issues than conflict. Of course there is a significant arms trade lobby in the UK who don't want their profits interfered with.

No Mariann the system to elect the Labour leader has been widened to include the Parliamentary members, the unions and the Labour Party members. It is clear that the Labour Party has failed miserably to meet its members expectations by acting as a watered down Tory party. They want -to coin a phrase - clear blue water between the Tories and Labour - and the enormous support for JC shows this need. It is democracy in action. Those Labour Party MPs who are rejecting this result must look very carefully at what they understand as democracy.

The whole system is flawed. obviously for it to work the leader should be chosen by the Labour MPs, those who have been re-elected, because they are the representives of the electorate and are the people he is supposed to lead. Thats how they came to get Ed Milliband last time.
Sorry if if my point has already been made.