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Jermy Corbyn elected

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Teetime Sat 12-Sept-15 11:45:58

Bugger it that's the next election lost.

rosequartz Sat 12-Sept-15 20:30:09

Joan that is an interesting view from afar and it's very heart-warming to hear what happened in Queensland
Queensland is not the UK though

Most definitely not!!

nightowl Sat 12-Sept-15 20:41:13

I'm late to this thread, but just want to comment on posts by trisher and Anniebach a couple of pages back, about the young generation. My son, 26, is home at the moment. He has been following this campaign with interest. He has always been interested in politics but so disillusioned with party politics it has been difficult for him to summon up any enthusiasm to vote in elections (though he always has).

This afternoon he said that this is the first time he, as one of the 'screwed over generation' (his words) has felt a glimmer of hope that there is any future in this country. I was already very pleased by the result, but that made me happy. My son will be joining the Labour Party and he and his generation are the ones that will shape the future, wherever it goes.

Gracesgran Sat 12-Sept-15 20:44:42

I know what you mean about how it might work but I am inclined to be optimistic and, as he hasn't been in either the cabinet or the shadow cabinet he may just ask decide to do things that others would believe could not be achieved.

There is a little time although he has to get a shadow cabinet in place pretty quickly. My first thought is why not a sort of job share between Angela Eagle, and John McDonnell as shadow chancellor. It's a huge job and they could share the difference between and MPs salary (which they will both get) and a Shadow Cabinet members salary. I just want him to think out of the box.

Gracesgran Sat 12-Sept-15 20:58:18

Nightowl, that's wonderful. Hope - that's what we need, not the idea that we must consign sections of our society to penury in order for the rest to succeed.

I haven't talked to our 17 and 19 year olds yet but my daughter - a teacher is pleased. Not leaping about but again hoping a party is looking towards a society that doesn't denigrate vast sections of the population. My son keeps his finger on the pulse of British politics from Australia so it is always interesting to hear his take on what is happening here - it always has a slightly different slant. He will be asleep at the moment though smile

Oh, I am so pleased this has given your son some hope.

Mogette1 Sat 12-Sept-15 21:01:04

I am our branch secretary. We have trebled our members/supporters and affiliates. One hour after the result was announced we had 4 new members, one, after 20 years in the 'wilderness'.

Whatever your policy views, this is an earthquake in political terms and echoes the movements in Greece, Spain, even the USA with Bernie Sanders' success in attracting attention.

At last the failure of neoliberal economics is being recognised. Austerity does not and cannot work. It does not spread the wealth widely enough to allow for development, innovation, education, care of the environment and health care. As wealth concentrates in the hands of 1% of the population worldwide, money for all those services we want is rendered unavailable. Even the IMF has finally come to this conclusion.

Risky but good luck Jeremy

soontobe Sat 12-Sept-15 21:21:31

8 frontbenchers have now resigned. Not convinced at all that he is going to be able to hold the party together in its present form.

Ana Sat 12-Sept-15 21:24:13

Isn't that the point though, soontobe? Those who voted Coryn in don't want the party in its present form.

Deedaa Sat 12-Sept-15 21:29:11

Well life is certainly going to get interesting while they sort themselves out.

nightowl Sat 12-Sept-15 21:31:22

Gracesgran, sorry I forgot you too had mentioned your younger generation. Isn't it wonderful to see young people, who so many have written off as selfish, apolitical beings, becoming so enthusiastic over this whirlwind of events. I never expected to see anything like this in my lifetime after the Thatcher and Blair years smile

Anniebach Sat 12-Sept-15 21:31:24

Resigned but resigned from positions they may not have been offered , the positions they held were under Millibands leadership,

Luckygirl Sat 12-Sept-15 21:31:47

It is a big shake-up, and, as Mogette says, it is a reaction to the divisive politics of the last few decades.

soontobe Sat 12-Sept-15 21:41:39

My point was more that I thought it was said that Jeremy was going to want to reach out to try and unite the party? Not easy if many are going to run in the opposite direction.

TriciaF Sat 12-Sept-15 21:45:21

I've only just come back online and heard about the result and am really pleased - can't add to what has already been written.
A fresh start for the party, and a chance to form an effective Oppostion.

Anniebach Sat 12-Sept-15 22:35:28

You think 7 are many soon?

rosesarered Sat 12-Sept-15 22:39:27

Will there be anyone of note left who hasn't resigned?Corbyn will have a hell of a time getting things to work, methinks it won't be as plain sailing as a lot of people think.He has never had any position as such, and being leader is hardly anything like sitting on the back benches.

Luckygirl Sat 12-Sept-15 22:40:30

The shadow cabinet members who have "resigned" may not have been offered a place in the new one - I don't quite understand how they can resign.

NfkDumpling Sat 12-Sept-15 22:42:18

It's good that we now have a left wing in politics. For too long we've had a middle, slightly to the right party (Labour), a slightly to the right middle party (Liberal) and a slightly more to the right party (Conservative). Perhaps normal service will now be resumed - provided the other 'Labour' MPs get in line.

Penstemmon Sat 12-Sept-15 22:48:03

Remember only 34% of the electorate voted for Cameron so maybe we are getting a more realistic view of t what the populous really want.

Anyway it has cheered me up no end grin wine

There are a few years to get things sorted out before a general election and I am sure PMQs will be a bit sparkier now. If it gives people more opportunity to think about / debate things in an alternative to centre right way then that will be a step in a positive direction.

Gracesgran Sat 12-Sept-15 22:48:29

I agree about the resignations. It's rather along the lines of "you're fired" "you can't fire me I've resigned".

Anniebach Sat 12-Sept-15 23:19:46

Anyone of note left? Liz Kendall, Tristham Hunt, Emma Reynolds and Rachel Reeves have only been MP's since 2010 Hardly who could be classed as ' of note'. Ed Milliband has bern listed as another who will not work in a shadow cabinet, ex leaders usually stand down or return to the back benches , can anyone recall an ex party leader who after standing down has sat on the front branches ?

So four have only been MP's for five years and one stood down after the election , that's five ' of note '

Anniebach Sat 12-Sept-15 23:21:31

Only problem about Corbyn not always asking the questions at PMQ is Cameron can refuse to turn up

durhamjen Sat 12-Sept-15 23:50:35

Cameron has been known not to turn up anyway.
Interesting about the New Statesman list. I read earlier that Mary Creagh had decided to return to the backbenches, but the NS has her ready to stay in the shadow cabinet.

durhamjen Sat 12-Sept-15 23:51:37

Hilary Benn is of note, and will join the shadow cabinet if asked.

Eloethan Sun 13-Sept-15 00:20:17

I think the result shows how out of touch the majority of Labour MPs are with the opinions and values of ordinary supporters.

Of course, many will argue that it is Labour's grass roots supporters who are out of touch with the thinking of the rest of the population. That may be so but I think we need a party that provides a real alternative and if that means it will be harder to win then so be it.

I'm pleased about the result and hope that JC can bring some sort of honour and courtesy to politics. I don't envy him the task - big business and the Conservative-dominated media will really be gunning for him now - but I live in hope that he will be able to convince the many doubters that there is an alternative to vast inequalities and injustices.

Anya Sun 13-Sept-15 07:35:35

Someone earlier suggested a possible split in the party, possibly a breakaway group. This could happen....

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