Joan that is an interesting view from afar and it's very heart-warming to hear what happened in Queensland
Queensland is not the UK though
Most definitely not!!
Is a new relationship possible without sex?
Bugger it that's the next election lost.
Joan that is an interesting view from afar and it's very heart-warming to hear what happened in Queensland
Queensland is not the UK though
Most definitely not!!
I'm late to this thread, but just want to comment on posts by trisher and Anniebach a couple of pages back, about the young generation. My son, 26, is home at the moment. He has been following this campaign with interest. He has always been interested in politics but so disillusioned with party politics it has been difficult for him to summon up any enthusiasm to vote in elections (though he always has).
This afternoon he said that this is the first time he, as one of the 'screwed over generation' (his words) has felt a glimmer of hope that there is any future in this country. I was already very pleased by the result, but that made me happy. My son will be joining the Labour Party and he and his generation are the ones that will shape the future, wherever it goes.
I know what you mean about how it might work but I am inclined to be optimistic and, as he hasn't been in either the cabinet or the shadow cabinet he may just ask decide to do things that others would believe could not be achieved.
There is a little time although he has to get a shadow cabinet in place pretty quickly. My first thought is why not a sort of job share between Angela Eagle, and John McDonnell as shadow chancellor. It's a huge job and they could share the difference between and MPs salary (which they will both get) and a Shadow Cabinet members salary. I just want him to think out of the box.
Nightowl, that's wonderful. Hope - that's what we need, not the idea that we must consign sections of our society to penury in order for the rest to succeed.
I haven't talked to our 17 and 19 year olds yet but my daughter - a teacher is pleased. Not leaping about but again hoping a party is looking towards a society that doesn't denigrate vast sections of the population. My son keeps his finger on the pulse of British politics from Australia so it is always interesting to hear his take on what is happening here - it always has a slightly different slant. He will be asleep at the moment though 
Oh, I am so pleased this has given your son some hope.
I am our branch secretary. We have trebled our members/supporters and affiliates. One hour after the result was announced we had 4 new members, one, after 20 years in the 'wilderness'.
Whatever your policy views, this is an earthquake in political terms and echoes the movements in Greece, Spain, even the USA with Bernie Sanders' success in attracting attention.
At last the failure of neoliberal economics is being recognised. Austerity does not and cannot work. It does not spread the wealth widely enough to allow for development, innovation, education, care of the environment and health care. As wealth concentrates in the hands of 1% of the population worldwide, money for all those services we want is rendered unavailable. Even the IMF has finally come to this conclusion.
Risky but good luck Jeremy
8 frontbenchers have now resigned. Not convinced at all that he is going to be able to hold the party together in its present form.
Isn't that the point though, soontobe? Those who voted Coryn in don't want the party in its present form.
Well life is certainly going to get interesting while they sort themselves out.
Gracesgran, sorry I forgot you too had mentioned your younger generation. Isn't it wonderful to see young people, who so many have written off as selfish, apolitical beings, becoming so enthusiastic over this whirlwind of events. I never expected to see anything like this in my lifetime after the Thatcher and Blair years 
Resigned but resigned from positions they may not have been offered , the positions they held were under Millibands leadership,
It is a big shake-up, and, as Mogette says, it is a reaction to the divisive politics of the last few decades.
My point was more that I thought it was said that Jeremy was going to want to reach out to try and unite the party? Not easy if many are going to run in the opposite direction.
I've only just come back online and heard about the result and am really pleased - can't add to what has already been written.
A fresh start for the party, and a chance to form an effective Oppostion.
You think 7 are many soon?
Will there be anyone of note left who hasn't resigned?Corbyn will have a hell of a time getting things to work, methinks it won't be as plain sailing as a lot of people think.He has never had any position as such, and being leader is hardly anything like sitting on the back benches.
The shadow cabinet members who have "resigned" may not have been offered a place in the new one - I don't quite understand how they can resign.
It's good that we now have a left wing in politics. For too long we've had a middle, slightly to the right party (Labour), a slightly to the right middle party (Liberal) and a slightly more to the right party (Conservative). Perhaps normal service will now be resumed - provided the other 'Labour' MPs get in line.
Remember only 34% of the electorate voted for Cameron so maybe we are getting a more realistic view of t what the populous really want.
Anyway it has cheered me up no end

There are a few years to get things sorted out before a general election and I am sure PMQs will be a bit sparkier now. If it gives people more opportunity to think about / debate things in an alternative to centre right way then that will be a step in a positive direction.
I agree about the resignations. It's rather along the lines of "you're fired" "you can't fire me I've resigned".
Anyone of note left? Liz Kendall, Tristham Hunt, Emma Reynolds and Rachel Reeves have only been MP's since 2010 Hardly who could be classed as ' of note'. Ed Milliband has bern listed as another who will not work in a shadow cabinet, ex leaders usually stand down or return to the back benches , can anyone recall an ex party leader who after standing down has sat on the front branches ?
So four have only been MP's for five years and one stood down after the election , that's five ' of note '
Only problem about Corbyn not always asking the questions at PMQ is Cameron can refuse to turn up
Cameron has been known not to turn up anyway.
Interesting about the New Statesman list. I read earlier that Mary Creagh had decided to return to the backbenches, but the NS has her ready to stay in the shadow cabinet.
Hilary Benn is of note, and will join the shadow cabinet if asked.
I think the result shows how out of touch the majority of Labour MPs are with the opinions and values of ordinary supporters.
Of course, many will argue that it is Labour's grass roots supporters who are out of touch with the thinking of the rest of the population. That may be so but I think we need a party that provides a real alternative and if that means it will be harder to win then so be it.
I'm pleased about the result and hope that JC can bring some sort of honour and courtesy to politics. I don't envy him the task - big business and the Conservative-dominated media will really be gunning for him now - but I live in hope that he will be able to convince the many doubters that there is an alternative to vast inequalities and injustices.
Someone earlier suggested a possible split in the party, possibly a breakaway group. This could happen....
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