White Poppy

And choosing a red poppy does not signify that the wearer does not want peace.

Sorry, I'll, and yes we all want peace that's for sure, wanting Is the easy bit, it's securing it, that's the stumbling block!!!

Ill stick to my red one, it says much more to me than white,but each to their own.

I expect we'd all rather have peace.

That's okay, you do not have to.
I'd rather have peace, but never mind.

No thank you.

stopwar.org.uk/resources/white-poppy-2

A direct link to ordering your white poppies if you want to.

I'm with farnorth - says it all

self-respecting spin doctor (and I have been one)
I'm intrigued grumppa
I wanna know more!!

Sorry, missed your stars Grumppa

Grumppa I wonder what this new style of apology is called. Soon seems to have studied under the same school as the recent rather sleazy Barrister in using the word sorry to apologise on my behalf rather than her own for the way "that that meant that to you".

Anniebach's right. Whatever the truth, this story reflects badly on both of them.

white ones weren't around in the immediate post-war period

I presume you mean poppies, friends123
However:
www.ppu.org.uk/learn/early/poppy3_early_years.html

White lies certainly were, I am sure DM used to tell me them

I think it's a generational matter- white ones weren't around in the immediate post-war period.

Ashcroft or Cameron lied , as for other allegations ! Bacon does seem to be a favourite with politicians

grumppa, there are not shades of truth, there is truth, lies and white lies?

So where do you put Cameron saying that he knew about Ashcroft's Non-dom status for only a month before the election, and Ashcroft saying he knew about it the year before?

I believe that eventually lies are always found out, Anniebach. It would certainly be stupid of any self-respecting spin doctor (and I have been one) to assume otherwise.

I am no longer sure what accusation is being made and discussed (hence my generalisation), but I am not convinced that being a little bit pregnant is a useful analogy, any more than the mother's excuse in Captain Marryat's Mr. Midshipman Easy that her illegitimate baby was a very little one. There may be shades of truth in some circumstances, but there are also absolute truths and downright lies.

Lies are not always found out grumppa .

As for the accusation made and being discussed, if something is - not so near the truth , where is it? the same as being or not being a little bit pregnant ?

If spin means anything it means trying to put the most favourable interpretation on a person, object or action, typically on behalf on a client. What it should never mean is telling a downright lie, since lies are always found out.

An example: an estate agent abuses a client's trust by stealing from an apartment he is supposed to be selling to fund a drug habit. The owner of the estate agency is asked "Don't you have proper vetting procedures for your employees?" The spin doctor advises him to say "All the procedures in the world can't prevent this sort of isolated incident."

The statement is self-evidently true, but evades the question whether any procedures were in place at all, and gives the journalist a usable quote.

Slightly grubby, but not downright dishonest; that's life. To expect more from politics is like spitting in the wind.

soontobe What did you mean to imply?

Are you spinning, soon? You definitely seem to be in a spin about Corbyn. I'd just give up if I were you.

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I dont see "not so near the truth" as meaning lying. But if you take it like that, then I am sorry that that meant that to you, as I did not mean to imply that you were lying.

He doesnt do spin yet. I suspect he will. We shall see however. Lovely if he doesnt.