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He met Mandela in 2006, Mandela had bern out of prison since 1990, didn't rush did he? And in 1989 he was on a jolly! With SNI

My views on apartheid are not political Elegran,but they are based on many years of activity against evil and apartheid is evil

He denounced it rather late didn't he .

x posts Elegran

Yes, because he'd denounced Thatcher's stance on apartheid - surely you think that's a good thing, dj.

Ah! you did read it, dj.

Whatever he did or said, ana, what will be most believed about him by Certain Persons will be the worst. If it is a left-wing politicaian rejecting what has been gospel in the party, it is heroic rebellion, if it is a right-wing one it is blatant opportunism. I don't suppose they even read the link I posted. No point me bothering, was there?

A quote from it to save you the effort " . . he came away from his South Africa visit [with Nelson Mandela - did Maggie Thatcher et al meet Mandela?] convinced that politicians must learn 'patience' and 'humility' in dealing with increasingly complex world issues and recognise that resolving them will require not just top-down decisions but long-term engagement at all levels of society."

In the article Elegran linked to, Bernard Ingham was quoted as saying that he wondered if Cameron was a Conservative.

It didn't actually end until April 1994 though, did it?

Always with an eye on the main chance, even then, eh, Annie?

Cameron Born in 1966, Mandela released in 1990, we knew then apartheid was ending

when Cameron was working at central office he flew to S A with Strategy Network International , created to lobby against sanctions in S A

Why would anyone go on an all expenses paid trip to SA with SNI if they were against apartheid ?

He grovelled years later to Mandela, the same Mandela who in the eighties the young conservatives wanted hanged , and declared Mandela a hero

I make him 27 when apartheid ended, not that it makes any difference.

Jen , Cameron was 24 when apartheid ended. It is well documented he travelled to SA for a firm which supported apartheid, he described it as - just a jolly. He later apologised for the Tory government during the apartheid struggle , he said they were wrong

Hmmm...where do you get some of your information from, Anniebach?

Reeally? Sunday September 10 2006 Cameron dramatically denounced one of Margaret Thatcher's flagship foreign policies

Hadn't realised that Cameron supported apartheid. I would have thought he was too young. I do not know anyone else of my sons' generation who supported apartheid. Maybe I just mix with the right people.

Thatcher and Cameron supported S A apartheid

Just been reading an article in the Guardian interviewing the lad's parents.
Apparently he was a real Thatcherite, but his dad hoped to put him straight on that. He was only 21. He sounds like a William Hague clone.
I hope there are more made to resign over this.

Yes- I can remember the evil that was Thatcher too.

Anyone remember the Tory youth group in the eighties? They ran a campaign to hang Mandela

Yes there are a lot more Tories at the top complicite in bullying. The other vice chairman is a colleague of Cameron's so he ( Cameron) is trying to protect him. What charmers they all are.

But so far Shapps has only left the government front bench, not resigned as an MP.
This is a reason for having recall of MPs. Does saying the buck stops with him mean that it could have gone further?
I await the flack for thinking that, but I have read it online.

See Grant Shapps has become the fall guy over the bullying incident - that was a foregone conclusion.

Yes dj there is a lot of bad press but jc seems to be quietly winning support. Next is the bombing vote.
What I find difficult to accept is the element in the PLP that cannot accept that JCs leadership is as a result of membership disapproval over Labour policies, which they are still insisting on. They are acting as if they know best. Well they don't!

Have just read, whitewave, that the firefighters union has voted to reaffiliate to Labour, having left in 2004. They have come back because they believe in Jeremy Corbyn.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/11/19/no-confidence-in-cameron-petition-is-rejected-by-parliament/

And here's another surprise. What's the point of fighting for democracy?