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whitewave Wed 16-Sept-15 20:46:12

New year/term, same old poo.

First anti-democratic point - £600 to be charged for information under the FOI

Second anti-democratic point and something that far left MP David Davis described as Franco's Spain. The requirement under the trade union bill for names, movement, social media use, etc to be given to the police prior to any action taken.

durhamjen Thu 05-May-16 16:30:54

The police have been given extended time to look into the election fraud.

durhamjen Thu 05-May-16 16:30:09

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whitewave Thu 05-May-16 06:49:07

rose what I quoted was from an Andrew Neil This Week programme, where they were talking about Hillsborough. This went on to cover a wider area and it was suggested that the rot is still evident at the top in large institutions, where it is still their first instinct to cover up then lie and blame those without the power to defend themselves. They cited such evidence as the police who were still lying over Hillsborough up to 2 weeks ago, politicians over various scandals whose instinct is to close ranks and wield their power to ensure the media is compliant wherever they can and the NHS whose managers also try to prevent whistleblowing and patients from accessing information when something goes wrong.
It was also stated that ordinary folk no longer have fair access to the law.

durhamjen Wed 04-May-16 23:20:13

www.thecanary.co/2016/05/04/grant-shapps-goes-pieces-live-television-tory-election-fraud-scandal-video/

rosesarered Wed 04-May-16 21:15:33

I don't think anything is getting any worse ( the things you listed ww) but nowadays things cannot be covered up as they were in the past, everything comes to light that a while ago people never even gave a thought to.

Ana Wed 04-May-16 21:14:49

Oh good - let's hope you start a thread about that as well.

durhamjen Wed 04-May-16 21:13:12

Talking about Hillsborough, whitewave, I noticed today that there are moves to get an enquiry going on Orgreave, for the same reason, police and political corruption.

Ana Wed 04-May-16 21:10:02

If you feel it's being ignored 'on here' why don't you start a thread about it, durhamjen? That's the reason I started one about Ken Livingstone.

whitewave Wed 04-May-16 17:56:11

It isn't so much ignored it is suppression. Look at all the the injustice, lies and suppression coming to light over the past couple of weeks after Hillsborough. The list gets longer and longer, and what is happening over the Tory election fraud is yet another example of it.

durhamjen Wed 04-May-16 16:45:10

Whitewave, about the Tory election expenses.

evolvepolitics.com/twitter-erupts-bbc-struggle-keep-tory-election-fraud-wraps-may-elections/

Have you noticed it's being ignored on here as well?

durhamjen Tue 03-May-16 19:26:43

www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/03/universal_credit_it_could_start_to_creak_think_tank_report/

This is interesting. A citizen's income might be a good idea to get them out of this.

durhamjen Mon 02-May-16 18:57:06

Although, obviuosly, with the report being in the Mirror, it does not count.

whitewave Mon 02-May-16 17:25:13

Good

durhamjen Mon 02-May-16 16:57:17

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-investigating-tory-battle-bus-7853582

Election expenses/battlebus fiddles still being looked into, whitewave.
Lots of police forces involved.

Anya Mon 02-May-16 15:07:08

Freudian or what? blushwinkgrin

Ana Mon 02-May-16 14:12:49

Ejection, eh? grin

Anya Mon 02-May-16 13:36:31

We have six potential PCCs up for ejection. I only know the Tory one as he's the only one to leaflet our avenue and he had a stall in Market Square on Saturday.

He reminded me of the Chair of the Parish Council in the Vicar of Dibley, David someone or other....in fact now I come to think of it, it was him hmmconfused

durhamjen Mon 02-May-16 11:40:53

I know mine, because I have leafletted for and with him.
Not sure if they should exist, but as they do, I would rather have him than any of the others up for election.
Interestingly, one of the ones standing in Durham wants to abolish the position.
He will also take a pay cut if elected.

whitewave Mon 02-May-16 11:23:38

Haven't a clue. I do know that the Kent PCC has stepped down under a cloud as did the young person she employed.

Yesterday watched a depressing programme "This Week" I think which suggested that most of the big institutions are rotten at the top. They went on to list the scandals relating to police cover ups and lies. I had forgotten half of them. Ordinary folk rarely get justice and are frequently blamed for the wrongs. It made me feel very queasy about Briton.

This must be stopped, but it seems that everyone in power with few exceptions is complicit.

durhamjen Mon 02-May-16 10:59:09

Another thing which the Tories foisted on us, and which we are voting for next Thursday are PCCs. In fact in my constituency, the PCC is the only vote next Thursday.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/30/nine-in-10-cannot-name-local-police-and-commissioner-pcc

10% of those who thought they knew their's got it wrong!
Do you know yours?

Gracesgran Mon 02-May-16 10:41:12

Jen I was interested in this "There is every potential that Labour is moving in the right direction and ahead of the curve, ..." in your link above as I have believed this more and more since the election.

This last attack on those leading the LP was so vicious - by the press as much as anyone - that it makes me think others see the same and are frightened by it.

There are a lot of narcissists at the top of politics (learning a lot about them from The Archers smile ) and Boris is very much one of them.

whitewave Mon 02-May-16 10:20:14

See the opinion is beginning to gain ground that Johnson is a busted flush.

You can fool some of the people .....etc. It certainly took long enough to recognise his inadequacies.

Anniebach Mon 02-May-16 09:32:22

It seems there has been so much dirty dealings in politics an honest politician is a threat to some

durhamjen Mon 02-May-16 02:00:20

"Yet Corbyn has not just survived but is starting to develop consistent policies that are very far from unpopular. Perhaps most interesting is the challenge to the government’s there-is-no-alternative-to-austerity stance, which is made more relevant by the widespread public anger at the huge levels of tax avoidance. It is worth noting that this is one key area where those close to Jeremy Corbyn have a strong record, especially John McDonnell. The seminal book by Nicholas Shaxson on tax havens, Treasure Islands, points out that McDonnell has one of the strongest records of any member of parliament in opposing the extraordinary lobbying power of the City of London.

In short, the argument is gathering force that Jeremy Corbyn is ahead of the times not behind them. The crucial question for Labour's future is whether many Labour MPs, now sunk in dismay and frustration, can grasp this. If they do, and then help forge a stronger challenge to the Conservative government, then all bets over Britain's political future will be off. "

durhamjen Mon 02-May-16 01:59:02

www.opendemocracy.net/paul-rogers/jeremy-corbyn-future-not-past