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I will ask police in the family this question. I know that they show their number 'On the beat' as it were , but not sure about riot/ crowd control situations to answer now.

The difference Elegran is demonstrators are not required by law to hold up signs with their names on them. Police in uniform have to have their number visible , for some time several police forces have their uniformed officer with both their name and number visible , the name being visible is not compulsory in all forces their number being visible is compulsory

Those police who cover their numbers are probably doing it for the same reason that peaceful demonstrators don't hold up a sign with their name, address and phone number on it.

Just being present and identifiable is enough to get them retaliation from extremists (in whichever direction).

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/john-pilger-in-a-world-of-big-lies-telling-the-truth-is-a-revolutionary-act

The Stop the War coalition is about stopping the war in Syria at the moment, so of course it includes Russia. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

The reason they are in Manchester is because that is where the Tories are, and they are the ones who can stop the war, not Labour, as the Tories are in power.
That makes sense to me.

Will that include the Russian contribution to spreading the war?or is it just to be a exercise in West bashing?!

People who constantly bellow about ' police brutality' at these demos, should perhaps have a go at policing them to see how it feels from the other side.

Very good point ab.

Let's live in the real world shall we?

Jane is quite right, and having members of my family at present serving in the police force, I can tell you, they do not look forward to these encounters at all. sometimes they themselves agree with the protest, sometimes they don't, but it's their unenviable job to keep the peace at them and not allow it to develop into a full blown riot.When you think how few in number they are compared to the demonstrators, you will understand that under their 'poker faces' they are often very scared.The Ian Tomlinson case was different, there were few people around when the officer assaulted him, and the demo was over.The officer in question was already viewed with suspicion by his own fellow officers and superiors for other dubious actions, and that was the last straw.

Ian Thomlinson's death was indeed a tragedy. And made the police seem like bullies and thugs. Which they sometimes are.

Janeaisworth, perhaps you can explain why at some demonstrations police cover their numbers - which are to be visible at all times

Peaceful protest has always been a 'given' in our democracy, and a good thing too, but too often are taken over by rentamobs, anarchists, chancers, looters and angry young men generally.It's keeping this lot in line ( and the police in a riot can't always tell who is who) that is the difficulty.That is why a march or demo needs to be out in a spacious public place and not in the streets of a city.The police have a duty to protect us ( not in the demo) and shops and business nearby. The wide Pall Mall for instance, instead of narrow London streets would be a better place for a protest.

anniebach Ian Tomlinson's death was a tragedy, but to infer from it that 'at some demonstrations [the police] do deliberately stir up conflict' is like inferring that some doctors murder hundreds of their patients, just because Harold Shipman did.

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/events/stop-the-war-events-national/06-oct-manchester-public-meeting-don-t-bomb-syria-stop-the-spread-of-war

For anyone in Manchester who wants to go.

Exaxctly what I saying.

No idea what you are on about Elegran, that you read a word and for you it implies something doesn't make it true ,just what you choose to think

"There was a ?" There was also a "so", implying a direct link where none exists and inviting an answer on the terms of that non-existent link. See number 3 in False arguments See also my previous post about wife-beating.

janeaisworth , you think there is evidence which can be produced? Too funny . There was evidence when Ian Tomlinson was killed by a police officer, the police denied they were in anyway involved, then someone produced video evidence , that was bad luck for the police , death for Mr Tomlinson

Rosequartz , you failed to notice I asked a question , there was a ?

!!!!! How does anyone turn "With America, there will, quite rightly be a hullabaloo"

into " . . . so the bombing of the hospital by America is democracy?" ????

Reminds me of the old unanswerable yes/no trick question - "Are you still beating your wife?"

Anniebach unless you have seen that with your own eyes, or you can quote documentary evidence that the police routinely incite violence st peaceful demonstrations, I think that is an outrageous assertion.

Well, I thought your post made your thoughts perfectly clear nigglenellie

Unlike some of mine that have frequently been misinterpreted perhaps ambiguous.

I did indeed rosequartz. I was making a comparison between the bombing of a hospital which has quite rightly been roundly condemned, to the almost silent reaction to Russia's indiscriminate bombing in Syria - a bit glaring don't you think?!

Anniebach post 12.51pm whoa

So nigglenellie the bombing of the hospital by America is democracy?

Where did nigglienellie say that? Please could you point me in the right direction anniebach

She said there will be a hullabaloo and that this will be quite right.