Jeremy Corbyn Elected

No janeaisworth, no one has claimed the police are always to blame , I do say at some demonstrations they do deliberately stir up confrontations

Anniebach and trisher
Surely you are not arguing that the police are always to blame when protest turns to riot, or that protesters never have intent to harm others.
In this instance, Graham Stringer, not known for his right -wing views, criticises the police for not doing enough to contain the riots in Manchester in 2011.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14467588

This sums it all up perfectly.! How clever Putin is! Talk about checkmate!!

So nigglenellie the bombing of the hospital by America is democracy ?

I'm not reading that link. No way is he is making sense in any decent meaning of the word.

And I think the world has moved into a very dangerous phase with Putin doing this. (Why isn't this on a separate thread?)

Someone arguing that Putin is making more sense in Syria than anyone else. #apointofview

I've always understood that socialism was about peace and improving people's lives, and as Russia is, as I understand it, (perhaps I'm wrong) a socialist country, I can't see that indiscriminate bombing of helplessness civilians goes hand in hand with the enrichment of people's lives. With America, there will, quite rightly be a hullabaloo; With Russia?!!!!! a bit of hand wringing, maybe!!!

nigglenellie, could you explain how you link Russia bombing Syria with socialism?

The Americans have admitted that it was probably their aircraft that did the damage - the Taliban usually fight on the ground - and they coldly call it 'collateral damage'.

A clinic run by the charity MSF has been hit during a strike in Afghanistan, more than 30 staff are unaccounted for. America had been told of the location of this clinic but they carried on, friendly fire perhaps

I wouldn't dream of speaking for anyone, least of all you Annibach!

P.S My idea of barbarism is IS! Also Russia's indiscriminate bombing of Syria! So much for socialism!!!

So true trisher, at some demonstrations the police are instructed to cause disruption, you can spot them, their number which is always suppose to be visible is covered, their faces covered and kettling is guaranteed to cause problems - so they do it and every given oppertunity

Protest is such an ingrained part of our history, as is the criticism of them by the establishment.

Lets not put all the blame for any violence solely on the protestors. The way they are treated has a huge part to play. When they are packed into small areas, surrounded by police and not allowed to go to the loo or sit down, for several hours, tempers naturally become short. The procedure known as 'kettling' is one of the major reasons why a peaceful march becomes a violent demonstration.

Luckygirl, the problem now is the internet where troublemakers can group together and plan to disrupt protests

Yes, just your opinion Nigglynellie because you cannot speak for me

One of the problems with protests (which are an important part of our democracy) is that the organisers sometimes set up a peaceful protest but it gets taken over by small groups intent on violence. A bit like a teenage party at our house once when I was young, which was gatecrashed by some boozers and got out of hand.

I'm very much on the fence over Fox hunting. Foxes have to be kept under control, particularly, when, like us, you live deep in farming country. I've discussed and researched other 'methods' of control, all of which imo are far more cruel than hunting, and risk including other animals. One of the worse things I've ever seen is a fox in a snare! absolutely horrible. They're difficult to shoot, and need an expert marksman to do this, and too often are wounded to crawl away to die, very unpleasant. Gassing? poisoning? lamping? all pretty grim. Nature is cruel and foxes rarely die a peaceful natural death, no vet for them when they become injured, riddled with worms, lice, mange.(a very cruel killer) Unable to fend for themselves, it can be a long cruel death; but I guess none of this matters, so long as it's out of sight and we can kid ourselves that their world is like that of Beatrix Potter! It's not!!! I know I will get shrieked at, so I'm not prepared to say any more on this subject, turning it into a furious argument. I think the hysterical fury surrounding hunting has much more to do with hatred of the people who participate than concern for foxes!! Again, just my opinion.

Thank you thatbags

Thank you Jen, be interesting to see how the BBC and SKY cover this - or don't cover it . I think the Bishop of Manchester would be rather amused to know he is dismissed as part of a 'rent a mob'

I thought you were talking about more than yourself, ab. It seems I was mistaken, in which case please accept my apology.

I think one still should remain calm in protests though, ideally, if only because the people that one wants to listen to one will listen better than if one is uncalm.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/manctimetable

This is what's happening, starting from today. It's not just a march.
I bet some of the Tories would rather be at this conference than their own.

thatbags, i have no idea how many anti fox hunting protestors have witnessed the brutality of a fox being ripped to bit by a pack of hounds , I have but I only speak for myself

And yours, ab, is rude and unnecessary. Can't you just ignore stuff that you deem unworthy?