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General threatens mutiny

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Eloethan Tue 22-Sept-15 13:53:48

In all the brouhaha re "Pig Gate", a very important piece of news seems to have been overshadowed.

The I reported that an unnamed Army general has suggested that Corbyn could face a coup by the military if he became prime minister. If he threatened to leave NATO, scrap Trident or cut back on the size of Britain's forces he would be met with mass resignations and a "very real prospect of an event which would effectively be a mutiny."

Whilst the MoD has said these remarks "are not helpful" (a bit of an understatement I would have thought), it makes me wonder why a general feels it acceptable, in what is supposed to be a democracy, to make such a statement.

rosequartz Wed 23-Sept-15 10:31:17

It's probably just someone making mischief, not 'A General' at all.

A fake General, like a fake sheik!

Elegran Wed 23-Sept-15 10:36:22

Indeed. Any of us could write to the papers with a similar claim, signing it suitably. My question could go to the newspaper - why did they choose this moment to publish that particular anonymous threat? Do I scent a coup of a mode more political/media than military?

Eloethan Wed 23-Sept-15 15:30:40

My understanding is that the Sunday Times spoke to the general. Surely they would have verified his authenticity? Most journalists will not divulge their anonymous sources, because if they did they would never get any "under the radar" information. I think I'm right that there was a court case some years ago in which a reporter was ordered to divulge the source of his information but I can't remember the outcome.

Anniebach Wed 23-Sept-15 16:12:04

Mutiny in the armed forces is a serious offence and a life sentence can be the result, we don't shoot them now.

soontobe Wed 23-Sept-15 16:59:01

If there was mass mutiny, I highly doubt that serious numbers of the military would spend long times in jail.

Luckygirl 22.33pm 1st paragraph. Of course not. Cant be bothered to say any more.

Tresco Wed 23-Sept-15 17:06:26

I don't understand what you are trying to say, soon. Are you suggesting that if soldiers don't like their orders they should mutiny, and if enough of them do it they will be let off?

Anniebach Wed 23-Sept-15 18:12:02

soon, do you really believe members of H M armed forces would bring about a mutiny because of decisions made by H M government ?

And you think not only they would but H M police force and H M courts of justice would not arrest, prosecute and sentence ?

Penstemmon Wed 23-Sept-15 18:20:10

I expect General Bufton-Tufton or whatever his real name may be is a Tory grandee, they often are. I expect it is his way of contributing to the anti-Corbyn propaganda machine. He is free to say his piece and I am sure the armed forces are understandably wary of further reductions in resources in addition to the ones recently announced but a bit of a coward for a soldier not to put his name to it.

rosequartz Wed 23-Sept-15 18:24:41

Probably it would be by Court Martial (as long as they don't all mutiny and there is no-one left!)

In fact, if this is true, the General may have been rooted out and heading for court martial (if he conspired with someone else)

The sentence handed down at court martial for conspiracy to mutiny is life imprisonment.

This is so ridiculous that it cannot be true.

Ana Wed 23-Sept-15 18:29:50

And the fact that it's so ridiculous completely defeats the object, if indeed he is a 'Tory grandee' trying to put another spanner in Corbynmania's works...

Penstemmon Wed 23-Sept-15 18:36:02

I really think it is probably not a serving general but part of a political group attempting to undermine Corbynites hence the anonymity.

Ana Wed 23-Sept-15 18:41:32

But even if he was a bona fide general he'd hardly give his name to the press, would he? confused

rosequartz Wed 23-Sept-15 18:45:22

We'll be checking SNOPES in a month or two!

Anniebach Wed 23-Sept-15 19:11:22

If a mass mutiny, doubt anyone left to conduct the court marshal

Penstemmon Wed 23-Sept-15 19:57:46

If he is a senior serving general he would have a route to get his opinion heard, enough right wing politicians would be happy to voice his thoughts. If he is retired then he is free to speak and be named!

Ana Wed 23-Sept-15 20:03:38

He may be free to speak if he's retired, but why would he lay himself (and his family) open to vitriolic and possibly physical retaliation?

soontobe Wed 23-Sept-15 20:33:24

Anniebach 1st paragraph 18.12pm yes

Not sure how many in the military now, but jails are full or nearly full at the best of times.
The normal prison guards would not be any match for them all.

Tresco, not saying at all that they should, but they could.

I dont know much about the military though. But I never always think that the status quo on anything is always going to carry on.
Life changes.

Tresco Wed 23-Sept-15 21:11:14

soon it is abundantly clear that you know little about the military.

granjura Wed 23-Sept-15 21:24:08

Especially not about a professional and paid army like the British one.

Penstemmon Wed 23-Sept-15 21:31:56

Ana who from? confused

Ana Wed 23-Sept-15 22:19:16

Penstemmon - from those who disagree with his views, obviously...

You can't seriously believe that if he went public there would be no repercussions?

Anniebach Wed 23-Sept-15 22:47:36

Not a brave soldier then if he cannot find the courage to speak out and face the consequences

rosequartz Wed 23-Sept-15 23:07:11

If a mass mutiny, doubt anyone left to conduct the court marshal
Yes, I said that too.

Is he talking about all the services or the Army?
Mind you, the Senior Service has mutinied before, they have previous .....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invergordon_Mutiny
Perhaps the RAF could conduct a court martial hmm

Penstemmon Wed 23-Sept-15 23:10:48

He's a soldier and presumably has spent his life battling people who don't like his views!!

He is not saying anything very different to the government. He is just saying it to give it a bit more "welly" as he is, supposedly, speaking from the horses mouth!

Scaremongering to think he would suffer any more than Corbyn for expressing his point of view! A storm in a teacup!

soontobe Thu 24-Sept-15 08:02:00

I am puzzled actually.

I sort of assumed that those who dont want trident, on the whole dont want a fighting military either.
So a mass mutiny would be beneficial?