Labour MPs

The Tories were thrilled with their result. Remind me of the % they achieved?

It's early days, give them a chance. They have a lot of thinking to do and probably wounds to lick.

I don't agree with your thoughts on this durhamjen. I didn't vote for jc and my neither did my constituency but we'll support him because of the strength of his mandate. I don't like the way some Blairites are attempting to stir dissent and I think Mandelson is really showing his Machiavelien tendencies, loathsome individual. As others have said, jeremy doesn't have a track record of blind support of previous labour leaders and I don't suppose he expects it.

What about the former shadow cabinet member quoted in the i today who said, "We've got to go away and come up with some decent policies for when he fails." ? What should he do? He does not appear to be giving Corbyn the benefit of the doubt.

I thought Corbyn's speech today was brilliant, as did most of the members of the audience, but the person on the Andrew Neill programme said he started with low expectations and they got lower. He had been Blair's spin doctor.
What chance does Corbyn have with people like him still being used as a pundit?

I think he has as much chance as any other politician who has had greatness suddenly thrust upon him. Why wouldn't he? Of course there are people arguing against him. That's good. It shows that we really do have a democracy where people can say what they think and argue with absolutely everyone and everything if they so wish. Besides, silencing the arguments (or complaints or negative predictions or whatever you want to call them) wouldn't do a scrap of good. He and his supporters can still plod on with what they want to say and do.

Corbyn is laying out his stall for both Labour Party and country. It was like a breath of fresh air.

The Blairites have had their day, and there seems to be sour grapes amongst some of them. However, by no means all of the right wing of the party are refusing to cooperate, and are clearly prepared to listen and cooperate with their new leader.
Andrew Neil has wheeled in 2 Blairites over the past 2 days. Yesterday (can't remember his name) he spoke such a lot of embarrassing rubbish, I felt quite hot. Haven't listened to today's effort yet, but given his past it doesn't take much guesswork as to what he will twitter about - hey ho such is life.

I read a newspaper with my grandson today, and he wrote down what Corbyn was supposed to be going to say in his speech. We made a long list. Then we watched the speech and he ticked off what had been said.
Much was accurate, but other things had been made up.

Well done him!

Bye way, he said something interesting at the end about the gerrymandering of the vote. Millions of people, particularly the young and those in temporary and short term occupancy will not have the vote next year because the government brought in new rules for registration, and has now brought the deadline forward a year.
So if you know anyone who might not be registered, find out and make sure they are.
www.gov.uk/yourvotematters

Bye way = by the way, by the way.

There have always been dissenters in all parties.

He will have to learn to handle them and try to bring them into the fold.

I picked up on the two Blairite spin doctors with AM over the yesterday and today's programmes whitewave. They contributed nothing except "they are not right because they are not doing it our way", and both looked very depressed - worryingly so. I think some of the journalists are behind the curve and AM is one of them.

Laura Kuenssberg seems to have a better grasp of things, balancing what she thought JC was attempting to do as well as saying what he may be criticised for - not her opinion but reporting.

The journalists generally just want to return to how things were - it was easier for them.

"You don't have to take what you are given" so much better than "there is no other way" and with a the resounding ring of truth.

It will be interesting to see if that slogan will be picked up by the People's Assembly at the Tory conference next week.

If the convinced Blairites decided to leave the Labour party and set up their own party ( as with Jenkins Williams et al in 1981) would their constituencies then have to nominate another MP?

I think they would have to resign from the Labour party and force a by-election, standing under the constitution of their new party.
I do not think calling themselves the Blairites would get them many votes, though.

Maybe £74,000 might be a good reason for them not to resign.
More than three times the pay of a junior doctor.

I could be so wrong but I still believe the blairites will not leave the party , they will remember surely what happens to Williams, Owen & Co, they ended up merging with the liberals . Given their anger during the leaders campaign and after the result, they will gather around Mandelson and plot , back stabbing ,which has been the norm in the Tory party, reared it's head during the Blair/Brown years and Mandelson was was at the centre of that

I agree. If even Mandelson says he will not leave the party, the rest will not. Which means, like you say, that the backstabbing will continue.
The newspaper reviews tonight will be interesting. Just hope they do not have the Times and Telegraph reporters on.

SKY has Tories on their paper review

So the 'principle' some Labour supporters want to adopt appears to be if an MP cannot give 100% support to the 'Leader' of the Labour Party then those MP's , who were elected by a deomocratic process, should be forced to put themselves up for reselection.

Funny how this is suddenly viewed as a 'principle' the Party want to adopt now Corbyn is the Leader . The irony being Corbyn would have had to put himself up for reselection had this 'principle' been a policy over his time as a back bench MP.

When Corbyn repeatedly did not give 100% backing to his 'Leader' he was being 'principled'. When another MP does the same he is viewed by those who saw Corbyn as 'principled' as what, a traitor, unprincipled, Judas .

I think I will stick with my post 00.44 it is a proposal that is both non democratic and pure hypocrisy .

I hope Corbyn would have nothing to do with such a shallow dictat. Maybe the part in his speech today which told activists and others to stop with the personal nastiness means he may have some principle I can go along with after all.

Echoes of 'Animal Farm' POGS

It is the opinion of someone who feels angry with what has happened to Labour in the past POGS and we are all entitled to our opinions.

I do not think there would have - legally - to be a by-election if someone resigned from the party but their electorate would come to their own conclusions if they did not do this.

Corbyn did, at times, vote against the party whip , this is not being disloyal to his party or party leader , neither was his campaign against the Iraq war disloyal to his party, as a pacifist how could he vote for bombing hell out of a country?

He did not whisper into the ear of political commentators , he attended party conferences, I attended a few fringe meetings he spoke in over the years , he did not make a point of leaving the conference before the leader made his speech

There is a difference between openly disagreeing with the leader to munching on sour grapes and plotting to knife the leader in the back, they should cross the floor or respect the fact they are voted in as MP's by grass root members as Corbyn was voted in as party leader by grass root members

Define 'grass root members' please Annie

Have you never come across the term Anya? It does seem a strange request