Labour MPs

Apparently Corbyn is going to give a speech at a meeting at the Tory conference next week, Gracesgran.
He's been invited by the People's Assembly.
I wonder who will have the bigger audience.

There is a difference between openly disagreeing with the leader to munching on sour grapes and plotting to knife the leader in the back, they should cross the floor or respect the fact they are voted in as MP's by grass root members as Corbyn was voted in as party leader by grass root members

I whole heartedly agree with you Annie. Do we know exactly who didn't attend? Do you think we could see any of them mounting the Conservative platform next week?

Anya if you Google you will find it.

I don't have a point of view about that particular thing yet but I'm fine with others having one and saying it. There's no essential difference between that and what it says in the OP.

They probably don't regard it as carping, trish. They probably think it's the plain truth. Different point of view and all that.

Yes I did make an error thatbags ,grass root members refer to the party members not the voting public

Ok Anya

Thank goodness there were MPs like Corbyn who recognised the volume of anti-war feeling and voted with their beliefs which many of us agreed with. I have no objection to any MPs voting with their conscience on such matters. As far as the Mandelson/Blairites are concerned they need to clearly state which areas of his policy they find unacceptable and stop doing this "oh but he will never get elected" carping. If the policies they are promoting then prove not to be Labour Party policy they then need to put up(i.e move or resign) or shut up. somehow I don't think they will do either. It will then be for their constituency party to deal with them.

You could still offer a definition though, ab. If you have one.

Not everyone who votes for a Labour MP is a member of the Labour Party. This applies to MPs who are in different political parties too. It is by no means only "grass roots" who vote MPs in.

Have you never come across the term Anya? It does seem a strange request

Define 'grass root members' please Annie

Corbyn did, at times, vote against the party whip , this is not being disloyal to his party or party leader , neither was his campaign against the Iraq war disloyal to his party, as a pacifist how could he vote for bombing hell out of a country?

He did not whisper into the ear of political commentators , he attended party conferences, I attended a few fringe meetings he spoke in over the years , he did not make a point of leaving the conference before the leader made his speech

There is a difference between openly disagreeing with the leader to munching on sour grapes and plotting to knife the leader in the back, they should cross the floor or respect the fact they are voted in as MP's by grass root members as Corbyn was voted in as party leader by grass root members

It is the opinion of someone who feels angry with what has happened to Labour in the past POGS and we are all entitled to our opinions.

I do not think there would have - legally - to be a by-election if someone resigned from the party but their electorate would come to their own conclusions if they did not do this.

Echoes of 'Animal Farm' POGS

So the 'principle' some Labour supporters want to adopt appears to be if an MP cannot give 100% support to the 'Leader' of the Labour Party then those MP's , who were elected by a deomocratic process, should be forced to put themselves up for reselection.

Funny how this is suddenly viewed as a 'principle' the Party want to adopt now Corbyn is the Leader . The irony being Corbyn would have had to put himself up for reselection had this 'principle' been a policy over his time as a back bench MP.

When Corbyn repeatedly did not give 100% backing to his 'Leader' he was being 'principled'. When another MP does the same he is viewed by those who saw Corbyn as 'principled' as what, a traitor, unprincipled, Judas .

I think I will stick with my post 00.44 it is a proposal that is both non democratic and pure hypocrisy .

I hope Corbyn would have nothing to do with such a shallow dictat. Maybe the part in his speech today which told activists and others to stop with the personal nastiness means he may have some principle I can go along with after all.

SKY has Tories on their paper review

I agree. If even Mandelson says he will not leave the party, the rest will not. Which means, like you say, that the backstabbing will continue.
The newspaper reviews tonight will be interesting. Just hope they do not have the Times and Telegraph reporters on.

I could be so wrong but I still believe the blairites will not leave the party , they will remember surely what happens to Williams, Owen & Co, they ended up merging with the liberals . Given their anger during the leaders campaign and after the result, they will gather around Mandelson and plot , back stabbing ,which has been the norm in the Tory party, reared it's head during the Blair/Brown years and Mandelson was was at the centre of that

Maybe £74,000 might be a good reason for them not to resign.
More than three times the pay of a junior doctor.

I think they would have to resign from the Labour party and force a by-election, standing under the constitution of their new party.
I do not think calling themselves the Blairites would get them many votes, though.

If the convinced Blairites decided to leave the Labour party and set up their own party ( as with Jenkins Williams et al in 1981) would their constituencies then have to nominate another MP?

It will be interesting to see if that slogan will be picked up by the People's Assembly at the Tory conference next week.

I picked up on the two Blairite spin doctors with AM over the yesterday and today's programmes whitewave. They contributed nothing except "they are not right because they are not doing it our way", and both looked very depressed - worryingly so. I think some of the journalists are behind the curve and AM is one of them.

Laura Kuenssberg seems to have a better grasp of things, balancing what she thought JC was attempting to do as well as saying what he may be criticised for - not her opinion but reporting.

The journalists generally just want to return to how things were - it was easier for them.

"You don't have to take what you are given" so much better than "there is no other way" and with a the resounding ring of truth.

There have always been dissenters in all parties.

He will have to learn to handle them and try to bring them into the fold.

Bye way = by the way, by the way.

Bye way, he said something interesting at the end about the gerrymandering of the vote. Millions of people, particularly the young and those in temporary and short term occupancy will not have the vote next year because the government brought in new rules for registration, and has now brought the deadline forward a year.
So if you know anyone who might not be registered, find out and make sure they are.
www.gov.uk/yourvotematters