Democracy strengthened

Perhaps we would then move the ship building back to Portsmouth!!!!!!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/03/snp-and-labour-msps-unite-to-vote-against-trident-renewal

So if Scotland says no to Trident, do we have to move the submarines to England? This is going to be an interesting battle of wills.

it would feel like a war [ which it is] women and children always have it the hardest in any war.The reason things have dragged on for so long is there are not just two opposing sides but many factions. The West have now had this problem taken out of their hands by a fait accompli from Russia.

It must feel like the third world war in Syria. Imagine being a Mum with a family!

there will be a bit of posturing and attitude from various countries, but in the end, they will have to work together to rid Syria of IS and the rebels , or at least some of them[ there seem to be about 5 groups with differing agendas.]

no, forget about third world war, it won't happen.Not from this anyway.

Third world war. My granddaughter was right!

I think we need to worry, guys! My neighbour across the road has uncovered his tank (yes, you heard me correctly) and is POLISHING IT!!!! He must know something we don't! To be fair, it is quite a small tank, but even so.....

Very true nigglienelly. Russia will now dig itself in, and the US will have to fall into line with them or leave.Both IS and all the opposition groups will be destroyed.Assad will be at the helm again.The only good thing will be that IS will be finished ( in Syria). especially as Iran is joining in with Russia.Perhaps there could never have been another outcome.

Imo, at the end of the day it'll be the Russians who will call the tune in Syria! They are the only ones who can do what they like with impunity, and will!!! The West always tinkers round the edges of any problem, whereas Russia will go for the jugular, they aren't answerable to anyone, so can ride roughshod over anyone else, and will!! Putin has an agenda here and sees an opportunity. While the West dithers and wrings it's hands, Putin marches in, reinstates Assad, and hey presto, Russia has a foothold in the Middle East! Assad stays put, propped up by Putin, who we are all afraid of if we're honest! With nothing to show for all this horror except a waste of innocent lives, smashed infrastructure, and a people still living under a vicious regime, with absolutely no hope of ever changing anything. What a mess and what a waste!!! Maybe, just maybe, we can in the future keep away from these countries, because if ever there was a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions this for sure is it!

Well we've got into bed with other tyrants before now to try to save a war situation.
nigglynellie at Fri 02-Oct-15 12:03:1* has made a very valid point about the whole situation.

I would suggest trying to get some sort of peace might be where to start but with all the issues and waring factions involved. It is not going to be easy.

If Putin wants Assad to stay in power, and we know he does, then it stands to reason that he will attack anyone whom he perceives to be preventing this. We can certainly work together to eliminate IS, but then what? After that the two powers will.then be on different sides with totally different agendas. All the West could do is 'back off' or risk all out conflict with Russia! a truly terrifying scenario. All the suffering endured by the Syrian people will have been in vain as they'll be effectively back to square one. Russia's agenda is of course a mediterranean port, and no doubt airbase facilities. What to do? I really don't know!

It seems to me like the only one in Syria who wants the bombing to continue is Assad, as he wins either way. He is not bothered which side gets bombed as long as he stays in power. His troops have killed more civilians than any other group.
When you look at the countries involved this is World War 3.

Trouble is the USA will be aware of this, and undoubtedly tryits damdest to prevent this. Happy days!

Meant to type groups.

I'm quite happy for Russia (or anybody) to wipe Daesh off the face of the earth, but if only it was that simple. Putin of course is looking for another base on the Mediterranean, one with enough strategic importance, and Syria fulfills that need.

anya on radio 4 this morning. US backed groups not troops, but presumably as they are fighting it amounts to the same thing?
Everyone is interfering, USA, France, us, Saudi Arabia, Emirates , Iran and on and on it goes.
Started off with a protest against the brutal regime, and Hilary Clinton that it was the end of Assad, blimey, bit optimistic.

What's this about USA-backed troups in Syria? That's been kept very quiet.

Here's me thinking the only 'interference' in this civil war was strategic air strikes on Daesh targets on Syria's borders.

Saudia Arabia is just the bestest friend to this country , they buy our arms, they shower the windsors with priceless jewels, our PM rushes to pay respects to their deceased king whilst criticising others countries in the Middle East for their brutal beheadings, stoning, public whippings , all of which goes on in Saudia Arabia. And our future king who refused to attend a state banquet for a Chinese delegation because of their actions in Tibet paid a royal visit to pay his respects to the deceased king and who has never refused diamonds ,emeralds, rubies etc given to his family

The flags flying at half mast over Whitehall was a disgrace

Letter in Guardian this morning " if in the event that we used the bomb, its deterrent effect would have failed"

Oh good! Russia bombing USA backed groups now.

I think really that the information is out there, but never brought to general view, as it doesn't suit a political or business standpoint.

It's not just that it is support for Corbyn Jen but it is support for the discussion. I hadn't realised just how much some discussions and views have been shut out over recent years.

From the grass roots of Labour.

labourlist.org/2015/10/corbyn-was-right-to-highlight-the-uks-corrupt-dealings-with-saudi-arabia/

More support for Corbyn.

On Question Time they still think it's a button.