The Conservative Conference

I dont have to be fully up to date with everything.

No, and you don't have to just roll over and accept being insulted and sneered at, soontobe! You are letting yourself be an easy target for bullying behaviour...

Ah yes niggly let's look at the Home Secretary. Her called Theresa May, who in her speech described how immigration is undermining social cohesion, lowering wages, and contributing to higher unemployment.

But immigration has consistently risen since the Tories took office - so she has presided over a failed migration policy. It is at the highest level ever.
The Tories has totally failed in this policy.

Unfortunately the surface common sense of the immigration policy feeds into the views of those who want to keep everyone out. They have indeed made a mess of their immigration policies but still keep grinding on about how they are going to get it right...right in what way and when?

I do have a concern about the way that policies seem to be written on the back of envelopes without consultation with those in the know - e.g. doctors/nurses/teachers. The people on the ground are left to try and deal with policies that have superficial appeal but ignore the detail. e.g. how nice it would be to have 24 hour consultant cover in the NHS - great idea! - now have a chat with those doctors and find out how many hours they are already doing and work out how this can really happen - oh, I know, we will import some - oh, but we want to cut down on immigration. Reminds me of the hole in my bucket song!

I dont think I get it worse than other people Ana. Perhaps I am wrong. Plus gransnet told me ages ago to refer to them if things get too bad. Which I havent for ages.

And I do put my head above the parapet quite often.

I try and love people and I try not to have high expectations of others.

I am ok really. Thanks

Hopefully I am handling things in the right way.

Fair enough.

Go soon all power to your elbow as you drive us mad

secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/m/74c0762c/2d1c5aab/7108353d/463f6534/3883475032/VEsF/

For those who do not agree with Teresa May about asylum.
By the way, it was a link on an email. I haven't been trawling the internet for it.

Nigglynellie For heavens sake! I was not suggesting Soontobe was to be sent anywhere.

Soontobe had said I may have to accept that perhaps I am a bit unique in being so against marches. I wont or wouldnt even do a christian parade.
I happen to think that a mass of people marching for whatever reason is intimidating.

I was trying to make an analogy about not standing up for important democratic causes. If you just don't happen to want to march or protest against injustice. If our civil rights are being threatened, it is us being intimidated by the powerful.

If we don't fight campaigns to keep our hard earned democratic rights and freedoms when they are threatened, regimes like North Korea are an extreme consequence; but never say it could not happen here.

In Britain we are lucky to be able to demonstrate and criticise the ruling parties of government.Or plans to dismantle the NHS.
Without people protesting would we have Magna Carta?
Or votes for women.
Would the civil rights movement have got anywhere? NO.
We have a right of peaceful protest and should excercise it when our nations civil rights are threatened.

I'm sure you are dj, but not in North Korea, however!! No of course you don't have to know everything soon, nobody on this thread knows everything, although they would lead you to believe that they do!! Don't let yourself be put down over it though, there are some patronising bullies on here and at times they need standing up to.

Yes, I agree, niggly, there are some patronising bullies on here, aren't there?

There are indeed, and gunning for one person is particularly unattractive.

Well said nelliemoser!

Some of the subsequent comments, well, pots and kettles eh?

Anyone have any under 25s on minimum wage?
This is what the Tories think of them.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/06/matthew-hancock-living-minimum-wage_n_8252008.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

A few more thousand votes for Corbyn, then.
That's destroyed Osborne's talk of the party of the workers.

djen I am beginning to feel like a real sloth.
You must have more energy than me.
I was nearly right though
I think djen is one of those very organised people who get up at 6 am

However, I do have DGC3 tomorrow to keep me on my toes (or off them by the end of the day).

My house is a mess, though, roseq.
I can procrastinate very well about housework.

Teresa May has lost it today. Blown her chance of being the next leader.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/06/theresa-may-immigration-threat-britain

There are indeed, and gunning for one person is particularly unattractive.

Isn't it just. But Gransnet HQ does seem to pop in and sweep up the detritus.

Back to the thread topic. Has Teresa May developed some sort of split personality or has she forgotten what her job has been over the last five years? Weird.

www.youtube.com/user/PeoplesAssembly1

Videos of the People's Assembly at Manchester. Nice happy people.

Durhamjen

You can use whatever links you like but all I see is a desperate attempt to 'bury' the bad news, determination to avoid the truth.

You display , practically daily, you have an eye on the ball re politics whether it be t.v coverage, newspapers or through activism. Yet you elect to disregard the evidence that a group of those protesting at the Conservative Party Conference behaved like morons and I am being kind in calling them only morons.

'Anybody' who has viewed , read, looked at the internet for information/news is wholely aware that a 'so-called' small group of protesters threw eggs, intimidated and 'gobbed' in some peoples faces. Actually the faces of their 'brothers' who belong to a Union in some cases, that's really intelligent thinking.

Just because the majority enjoyed their 'happy' experience does not mitigate the fact their were some who took their choice of trying to destabalise a genuine democratic process from taking place 'too far'.

I don't care if it was the Conservative Party Conference, I would say the same if it was the Labour Party Conference. We all witnessed this aggression during the Scottish Referendum, think Jim Murphy for an example. It does not sit well with the public in my opinion.

People may find it funny, amusing , a 'happy' occassion but I find it intimidating , an abuse of democracy and it does create a divide .

The irony is the behaviour of the few who are intimidating 'gob' spitting morons become 'the story'. They do absolutely no favours to those who chose to protest peacefully. Therefore to my mind instead of condoning, trying to move 'the story' away from those who acted repugnantly I think it would be better to acknowledge it happened , it was childish behaviour and tell them they are not welcome by the majority.

Of course you may believe their actions were perfectly OK in that case no debate/discussion/other point of view will matter a jot will it.

Couldn't have put it better POGS. The experience that Jim Murphy had to endure during the Scottish referendum was just dreadful and I too would condemn that sort of behaviour from supporters of any cause whatever their particular agenda/political beliefs are. By protesters conducting themselves like this they do themselves no favours at all as all the public see are rabble trousers, trouble makers and yobs, the message they are trying to convey being completely lost.

I thought there was only one egg and having seen the child's teddy carefully arranged at an accident scene by the journalist on Drop the Dead Donkey I am now very cynical about who threw it and why the young conservative chappy was there in the first place.

Are you on any of them, Eloethan?
You do not need to tell us which one.

fullfact.org/factcheck/cameron_speech_conservative_conference-48685

fullfact.org/immigration/eu_reason_missing_net_migration_target-44364

Fact check on immigration. They are wrong on that, too.