The Conservative Conference

Thanks for the link dj.

I am totally astounded at all the people even I know who have joined up. The youngest is 19 and the oldest is 88 and every age between.

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Sadiq Khan about the housing crisis. In London, obviously, but he wants 50% affordable.

Whitewave, I just read an article which said that because of Labour's immigration policies lots of white working class are moving to Ukip.
I do not know any. They are all joining Labour under Corbyn as far as I can see, like you say, and of all ages.
What's interesting is they are keen to say so, too. Haven't seen anyone say they are happy to move to Ukip.

Hmm. I see Momentum claims to be "independent of the Labour Party's leadership". Looks as if they've dumped you Jeremy!

Who are we supporting then grump.

durhamjen - the article you read is probably accurate in some areas. Our Labour MP was re-elected, he's an excellent local MP and traditional Labour that is he is from an engineering/union background. His major fear during the last election wasn't the tories, it was Ukip. We're in the north west, former cotton area, large immigrant population, white working class angry and blaming the immigrants for lack of social housing, jobs etc. This is a traditional Labour area.

"Momentum is the successor entity to the Jeremy Corbyn for Labour Leader campaign but it is independent of the Labour Party's leadership. It will work with everyone who supports Jeremy's aim of creating a more fair, equal and democratic society."

Do read it properly, Grumppa. That does not look as though they have dumped him.

Iam, I took it to mean that they had moved to Ukip before the election, but are moving back now. Have been known to be wrong before.

Well, I hope you're right durhamjen but my very non scientific 'research, based on chatting with folks at the supermarket, in the town centre and other dog walkers in the countryside round here tend to suggest that Jeremy isn't seen as someone who will speak for them. Immigration is a big issue locally and seen as the root over the shortage of social housing, overcrowding in schools, pressure on the nhs etc by the anti Corbyn people I talk to.
The other side of this is that my group of friends and most of my family are delighted. Three relatives have re-joined the Labour party, two in order to vote for him as leader and one because he won.

The tory party conference - lots of people I know went along to various protests. As I've already said, GMP praised the behaviour of the protesters, unlike the Sun

Iam64, in the NW, is JC seen as London centric and out of touch?

Different point. If JC is seen as a stopgap, his influence such as it is will likely wane fast.

My scientific study won't answer that question soontobe but my impression is that no, my dog walking and shopping community who weren't pleased that JC won the leadership have the impression that he reflects a Labour party who will prioritise the needs of immigrants and benefit claimants over the needs of the majority. More politically active and aware friends/family are almost universally delighted that JC is Labour leader because he has remained true to Labour values throughout his life and career. This government is doing untold damage to the poor and vulnerable and JC is seen as a leader who will say that loud and clear.

Your other point about his influence likely to wane fast- how do you reach that conclusion. Are you suggesting that the support for him may diminish if he's seen as 'stopgap'. I don't believe he is seen as a stopgap. His majority is huge

Sorry, my second post wasnt to you or anyone in particular, though reading it now, it certainly looks as if it was asked to you.
It was in response to djs post of 23.17pm, her quote.

Yes iam that is exactly what I am finding with friends and family, they are all delighted and at the same time fearful because of the enormous and constant drip drip opposition from the establishment.
I am astounded at those people who have become members - people who have never been members of any political party before.

Who do you call the establishment whitewave?
Do you mean business, royalty? Who?

Well the establishment is in my opinion a group of people held together by shared economic interests and common ideas. I think particularly the idea that those at the top deserve to be where they are and really deserve ever more power and wealth. The main problem with this group as far as I am concerned is that often this power is unaccountable and therefore threatens democracy.

I could go on and on but will stop there

I should have known my flippancy would get me into trouble, dj and ww. It just seemed to me that by declaring its independence Momentum was deliberately putting itself in the position of being able to ignore or/and disown the LP leadership, which is actually led by JC. Or is he regarded as somehow above or detached from the leadership of the party of which he is leader. Did I miss JC rising on the third day (sorry, Soon!)?

Tut, tut, Grumpa

The JC fans posting on here are stating that many of their family and friends have now joined the Labour Party and I certainly don't disbelieve them, however, it does strike me that they are unlikely to be on particularly friendly terms with those whose leanings are towards the Conservative Party or UKIP.

I am sure someone will be able to post a link to prove the thousands who are now joining the Labour Party and again I don't disbelieve it, but there are many many thousands who are not members of any political party. I don't know any of my family or friends who have joined Labour, in fact a friend I spoke to yesterday has decided to join the Conservatives and she is an official in a teachers union.

Exactly, sunseeker. Any relatives or acquaintances of a different political persuasion to the Corbynites have probably learnt to keep their mouths firmly shut!

It'll have settled down well before the next general election anyway, so just as many may have left the Labour Party by then - who knows?

Momentum.

I think it will be interesting to see how this develops.

I think it is 'the bringing together' of far left groups .

It will either 'unite/amalgamate' the fringe groups such as the Communist Party (whoops said it) , People's Assembly Against Austerity , The Greens, Unions etc. Or it will run on it's own merit, time will tell.

I am interested to know who is 'heading it up'. Corbyn and McDonnell have given it their blessing so to speak but I wonder how this will sit with some fellow MP's.

Do you know Durhamjen who the main leaders are, as I said interested to know.

Why on earth would anyone think that either: all families must comprise a homogenous group of members with identical or almost identical political views or: family members of those with left leaning views are too terrified/ careful to open their mouths to challenge those views. My own family has members with a very wide range of opinions and we enjoy some lively discussions and also, dare I say, enjoy taking the piss out of each other. We are adults, we care about one another, and we are able to defend our views and agree to disagree.

Nor do I see any lack of people on here willing to challenge the Corbynites or others. Although I am still waiting for someone - anyone - to answer Luckygirl's question about the good things the present or previous government did to help the poor, disabled, disadvantaged etc etc.

All the information about Momentum is on their website, POGS. If you join, you can help to shape its future.
Somehow I do not think you will.

Here's one of the bad things the Tories do.

www.westbriton.co.uk/Man-speaks-job-centre-row/story-27930132-detail/story.html

Still can't think of a good thing, sorry.

commonspace.scot/articles/2629/james-mcenaney-an-open-letter-to-iain-duncan-smith-meet-michael-my-brother

Another bad thing.