David Cameron's speech

Many who do not turn out to vote are not glued to their tv, they have lost hope , given up ,

The grans on the right, instead of moaning about "sensational language " and such, really ought to be defending DCs policies and provide evidence to show us on the left are wrong in our arguments. Simply yacking on about bias, sensational language etc cuts no ice and weakness your position.

I think that jingl's comment about kicking the lazy back into work so there was more left in the kitty for the needy was well said.

The problem is who decides they are lazy. When we have seen on here that people can decide about others on very little fact we should probably look to the actual figures. Why do you want to "kick" someone who, with some properly directed help may be able to support themselves. That is what most people want. So what has this government actually done to make this possible. Oh yes, they are ceasing to support the disabled who are trying to work. Is that the sort of kicking you are thinking of; the sort that would be equal to kicking away someone's crutches?

Words are some of the most dangerous weapons of all and Cameron and the government are very aware of that when they use them.

I'm in Luckygirls corner, totally agree with your statement about Cameron. A despicable man without a care for anyone apart from those who can be of benefit to him. He has placed horrendous sanctions on some of the most vulnerable in our society while the rich prosper. Oh and he's trying to reinstate foxhunting? Has he nothing better to concentrate his energy and time on at this moment ! Until his policies have a detrimental effect on us personally and on our families some will go on supporting this egotistical man. Remove the blindfolds Tory supporters and see Tories in their true light.

Just a couple of points.

Slashing £12 billion (yes, billion, not million) from the welfare budget is not by any stretch of the imagination "attacking poverty". It is simply attacking those in poverty. As simple as that. The majority of people in poverty (not all, I entirely admit) are in poverty through circumstances not deliberately by their own actions.

Also, there has been a stark contrast between the tone of Cameron and that of Corbyn.

Cameron (whether or not you agree with his politics) is strident and nasty in his attack on Corbyn. Corbyn (again, whether or not you agree with his politics), in contrast, does come over as someone who is willing to listen to and accommodate people of other views - he has expressed a wish for a more reasonable politics; and is trying to put that into practice - for example, by changing the tone of Prime Ministers question time.

It seems to me that the Tory's are trying very hard to re-establish their image as the 'nasty party'.

whitewave surely it was a gran on the left who wa moaning about 'sensational language'?

They don't have to try very hard 321

anyaoh I got that wrong .But the rest of my blurb still stands

About weakening arguments whitewave I agree only haven't you just shit yourself in the foof?

Bum! Why is the 'i' next to the 'o' on a qwerty keyboard.

DC continues to be full of BS but despite all of these claims of his below ;-

"Fairness is at the heart of everything we do" D Cameron, UK's PM May 2010.

“I’ve a passionate belief in equality for all” D Cameron, UK’s PM, 2012

“Britain is a moral nation and we will fulfill our moral responsibilities” D Cameron 3-Sept 2015.

and the fact that the MP's code of conduct states;-
5. Members have a duty to uphold the law, including the general law against discrimination.

DC's Tory government acts immorally, it refuses to up-rate all UK pensions equally,fairly and discriminates against just 4% of the UK's pensioners by freezing their pensions, most of whom are retired in Commonwealth countries, while the Commonwealth Charter claims "we are implacably opposed to all forms of discrimination."
So one has to recognise Cameron as a total hypocrite and as reported in The Times;- "Here are five reasons to end this pensions injustice"
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/money/article4104695.ece

And in The Sunday Times;- "Heat turned up on frozen overseas pensions"
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/money/pensions/article1497998.ece
I've many more critical articles about this British Government's meanness which is so damaging to Britain's reputation especially in the Commonwealth.

Thanks Gracesgran! It's cheering, isn't it, to be reminded that the 36% or so who voted for Cameron not the majority, even though their party is in government!

Anya, I think the reason some of us are frustrated by the sensational language used in connection with Corbyn is because it also saturates the right-wing media, and even the 'impartial' BBC is not immune. BBC news continually describes Corbyn as left-wing, while Cameron and co are not described as right-wing, though they surely are. This gives the impression that the Tories represent some kind of mainstream, centre ground. Perhaps they do - if you're a Nazi! (joke!). Wherever you want to put them on the spectrum, it is worrying that only a third or so of voters elected them, and two thirds rejected them. I don't call that a mandate. I suggest it means that our electoral system is no longer capable of representing the diversity of views in our society. I, for one, am totally fed up of being governed by the tyranny of a minority who secure their chosen government due to an outmoded electoral system. A major reason people don't vote is because the system itself effectively disenfranchises them, not necessarily because they are 'lazy'. And of course, sadly, political education in this country is limited, to say the least.

OMG! Come back DJ all is forgiven

X-posts mine was in response to Posie

I don't think political education is limited in this country. It is everywhere you look, on the media, in pubs and homes throughout the country and even in schools.

In fact 2 of my grandchildren are on their School Councils where they are learning about democracy in action.

(They are both 5!)

Excuse me!!! I DID NOT SAY "KICKING"!!!!!

If you're going to quote me, GET IT RIGHT! I said GETTING! There is a huge difference.

Don't put your own spin on my posts, thank you very much.

Bloody cheek.

Jing.

I would like to say you are correct.

Thank you.

CindySherman - good post, like it.

Maybe if we start to recognise that the government we now have does not properly govern - since the decisions they made (especially in the case of war and conflict) can be overridden by decisions made in the "Privy Council", we might understand our own management system better.

During the Falklands conflict the Privy Council made more decisions about numbers of ships, troops, deployment, etc. than the Thatcher Cabinet. Apparently.

So who really runs the country? Who's on the Privy Council and is allowed access to more detailed security information than the Deputy Foreign Secretary or a Defence Minister?

Jingle

You are welcome, it happens too often.

However apologies are all too often short in being given.

Yep!

Anyone willing to defend the Tory's policies?

Still waiting for someone to tell me what DC has done to help the disadvantaged.

Railman, absolutely! It's that kind of understanding that I mean when I talk about political education.

Anya, it's great that you're grandchildren are on the school council! I hope the experience equips them to be critical thinkers when they are confronted with what passes for political discussion in the often hate-filled right-wing media. For example, The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sky News. Difficult to see these media as being interested in political education. Just the opposite. Schools need to be teaching children how to unpack the rhetoric and polemic of political discourse as part of the education of future citizens. It's taught formally in Media Studies. But of course that subject is derided as 'soft'!