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Families where no one has ever worked, nor wanted to, and claim all the benefits they can.

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Gracesgran Thu 15-Oct-15 19:14:57

Apparently, from comments we see here and in some of the media, we all know these families. Do you? Could you prove it? How do you find out so much about their income etc? How do you know they have never, ever worked.

I heard a politician on the radio describing a constituent he met when he was door knocking during the election. He was told he should sort out the women on the corner. She didn't work but all her kids wore designer clothes. They always have new stuff. They were taking the benefit system for a ride. He needed to sort out that "sort of thing".

The house on the corner was in his constituency so he called. The "women on the corner" turned out to be running a very successful online business from home. They discussed how his party could aid this sort of business.

So, how could a neighbour or even a friend know all the details? Perhaps you do. How did you find out? How do you know it is accurate? When did you report them? What was the outcome.

We are told that so many people abuse the system. How have you dealt with this knowledge and the law that surrounds it?

Ana Fri 16-Oct-15 22:50:37

I didn't say it was 'funny' that left-wingers hadn't heard of Ian Bone. I said I found it strange that they hadn't.

And of course people can read anyone's links if they want to. People are also allowed to make remarks that some may perceive as 'snide'. It's called free speech.

rosequartz Fri 16-Oct-15 22:52:45

All the links I put up are from emails sent to me because of subjects I am interested in.

I am not mocking. I do read some links, but not all.
I would not know about some of the things that are linked so it is interesting, but I do read other things and discuss things with people in RL.

djen - I did have a vision of you on the internet reading and posting links and thought I don't know how she does it (timewise), but you say you are sent them in emails - I know now! grin

Anniebach Fri 16-Oct-15 22:55:01

Ana, why is it strange that people on the left in politics are not interested in anarchists? I am 100% against the principles of anarchy , if one can call them principals

Ana Fri 16-Oct-15 22:58:15

Are you saying you've never heard of Ian Bone, Anniebach?

Anniebach Fri 16-Oct-15 23:10:25

Yes Ana, if I had I would say I had and not I haven't, are you questioning my honesty ?

durhamjen Fri 16-Oct-15 23:31:55

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/15/benefits-cuts-pip-anorexic-mentally-ill

Iam64 Sat 17-Oct-15 08:34:23

I've never heard of Ian Bone either. Why anyone would assume that being to the left of politics in the UK makes you an anarchist or a supporter of people who behave as badly as the gang who attacked the cereal cafe, I just don't know. confused

Riverwalk Sat 17-Oct-15 08:40:11

I've never heard of him - probably read of his antics but not so often as to remember his name.

I wonder how many of the right-wingers on this thread know the names of say activists in the EDL?

rosequartz Sat 17-Oct-15 10:08:05

Besides the point whether anyone has heard of him or not (I had but couldn't remember his name), its his take on life which is so annoying and skewed - he's quite happy to take benefits to fund a lifestyle the intent of which is to bring down the system which supports him.

And back to the OP - No, I don't know him personally.
Thank goodness!

Nonnie Sat 17-Oct-15 11:17:47

I posted this yesterday but have not had a response

Nellie how do you think we should deal with tax evasion? What process should we use?

I am posting it again and would be grateful to anyone who can give me an answer? The subject of all these awful people comes up time after time but no one will tell me how to stop them. So many other 'crimes' can be dealt with so I would like to know how to deal with this please.

Riverwalk Sat 17-Oct-15 12:08:42

Where there's a (political) will there's a way, as the saying goes.

People were jailed for non-payment of the Poll Tax and TV licence, so it can be done for tax evasion.

Creative accounting can get around any law if it's not drafted properly - I'm not a government lawyer but surely it could become law that you pay taxes on sales that are made in the UK, regardless of where HQ is.

Nonnie Sat 17-Oct-15 12:48:49

thanks River but I still would like to know how to go about the process. I understand it is not illegal to 'use the system' which is what a lot of businesses, including the self employed do so what would you suggest is done to stop it?

Anniebach Sat 17-Oct-15 12:54:42

Then change the system I suppose Nonnie, but no chance when we have a PM who publicly named and criticised a comedian for dodging tax but when asked his opinion on a faded pop star who is a tory supporter and did the same, our charismatic , tangoed PM said I think it wrong to speak of an individual

Nonnie Sat 17-Oct-15 13:05:48

Annie how should we change the system? What can the 'PM' do?

Alea Sat 17-Oct-15 13:12:22

I didn't realise Tony Blair was still our PM, Anniebach?

rosesarered Sat 17-Oct-15 13:29:16

grin anniebach does seem to live in the past.Perhaps it's nicer there.

rosesarered Sat 17-Oct-15 13:30:44

It may even be another country.

Anniebach Sat 17-Oct-15 13:33:07

Did I say Blair or our PM Alea?

dottygran Sat 17-Oct-15 15:23:39

@ Anniebach. Numerous is not all, I did stipulate that I was not making a generalisation about the Asian Community as a whole. Think you must have missed that bit.

@ Elena. Hi, I don’t think I made myself clear at all. The money is put into the bank account to enable the person coming into the country to fulfil financial requirements to obtain a visa. Once in the country the money is removed and the spouse then claims benefit

Anniebach Sat 17-Oct-15 15:51:06

Dottygran, I do know numerous is not the entire Asian community but numerous does bring to mind quite a number not very few

Are they never questioned on the fact their generous bank account suddenly dips ?

durhamjen Sat 17-Oct-15 16:25:10

You could read the whole of the www.taxresearch.org.uk website, Nonnie.
On the other hand, what we should do if we want companies to pay their tax properly is to double the number of staff in HMRC instead of cutting them as this government has done and is still doing, despite the fact that they make more money than they cost.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/10/06/hmrcs-penalty-regime-for-country-by-country-reporting-encourages-non-compliance/

Just one article by Richard Murphy.

Alea Sat 17-Oct-15 16:29:25

It was the reference to the charismatic tangoed PM that misled me Anniebach!

Grannyknot Sat 17-Oct-15 16:34:04

Annie and everyone else. That "custom" of depositing money in an individual's bank account to meet visa requirements is extremely common in the South African community, Loads of people do it on the understanding that it is an "in and out again" transaction.

It is if course not illegal. As far as I know, no one is ever asked why their bank account then dips.

Where the accounts then differ, is that South Africans usually get jobs once they're here., it doesn't prove to be that difficult.

durhamjen Sat 17-Oct-15 16:38:44

Except that there are 700,000 jobs available for 1.7 million looking for them.
Quite an imbalance there.

rosequartz Sat 17-Oct-15 16:47:15

Except that there are 700,000 jobs available for 1.7 million looking for them. Quite an imbalance there

So do you think we should restrict or even ban immigration then djen?