House of Lords threatening to show it's muscles

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/111161

An interesting e petition, not just aimed at Tories.

No, I didn't say that, and no, I don't know.
Just trying to clarify that it is not confined to any political party, nor is bullying.
Some MPs of all parties have had their comeuppance for lying - and cheating - and ended up in prison.

Others do it by default, ie making promises that they never keep. Whether or not they intended to keep them is another matter.

Are you saying that Cameron and Osborne did not lie?
Some of the Lords called Cameron a liar in the debate.

I haven't forgotten that Blair lied, and I hope he gets his come uppance next year. If you look on the Blair thread you will see a link to Hans Blix saying he lied.
The Libdems got their just desserts for lying. Except for Clegg, of course, another teflon-coated smarmy MP.

What I find strange is not the fact the Tories lied, this is part of their nature
the nature of many politicians of all parties surely?
Where do I begin? We could go on all night

Oh dear, how soon people forget the lies of the last Labour Government and that bully Campbell (not even elected).
And the Lib Dems

What I find strange is that some people are so anti-Tory that they just condemn the whole party and all its supporters as the embodiment of all evil and can't understand why the rest of the country doesn't agree with them.

It does get very tedious.

What I find strange is not the fact the Tories lied, this is part of their nature, but that they have had such an easy ride in the media. The day after the defeat Osborne had the brass neck to go on the BBC claiming to be the victim of an undemocratic body!

The Tories also show themselves to be spiteful bullies in announcing a review of the House of Lords relationship but prejudging the outcome by appointing someone who has already made his view clear that the Lords have overstepped their powers.

It’s a recurring theme with Cameron to turn a crisis into an opportunity for a further power grab and to do the absolute opposite of what is right (c/f the gagging bill, snooper’s charter etc).

Part of the reason the gulf has been growing for years is percentage salary rises. Also the way that general rises to a whole group of of workers - such as nurses or teachers and many more- are implemented.

As long as there is a massive gulf between the lowest and highest paid - and at the moment the pay of those at the top is steaming ahead of everyone else - tinkering about with the minimum wage will make little difference.

In July this year the OECD reported that the pay of top bosses was growing 5 times faster than the average employee.

I am totally against these benefit cuts which will devastate the lives of so many struggling families in UK. Although a pensioner and, despite living in France, I still pay UK Income tax. I pay French tax too for the privilege of living here. However I would gladly pay another 1% tax to stop these obscene cuts. There needs to be faster progress to a much higher minimum wage and a less sharp decrease in the benefits. I am sure as much as these families need to rely on these benefits they would far rather be earning a wage which allows them to finance their family themselves. I also think that mothers who elect to stay home to look after their children should get the childcare allowance which is/will be being paid to working mothers.

This is Michael Meacher's final blog. Excellent.

www.michaelmeacher.info/weblog/2015/10/what-vw-tells-us-about-industry-today-and-the-state-connection/

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/22/labour-defends-move-to-delay-tax-credit-cuts-in-house-of-lords-vote

Interesting, this. The Tories did it to stop the Labour government putting up national insurance. Sauce for the goose.....

75, whitewave. He looked younger than that.

To be accurate, the poster was wondering whether to change her username to 'Jemima Corbyn'. I think it was supposed to be a joke...obviously lost on some!

Quite recently someone posted about Jemima Corbyn!

Oh he was young wasn't he? Well relatively you g?

They know this dj but the point is do they care?

Haven't you asked them to do that before, whitewave, with no takers?

Heard earlier that Michael Meacher died today. Baroness Meacher was his first wife.

I hope she makes this his legacy.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/prime_minister_wrong_on_tax_credit

This is why the Lords should continue with their threat to hold the government to account.

That is where you are so wrong nig
Political debate is just that. We can debate a point robustly, but it should never drop to a personal level, I would be more than willing to debate the right wing argument for GOs economic policies.

Any political discussion other than a left wing one would soon be shouted down, so there would be,absolutely no point entering into any dialogue, so I'll leave you all to your posts and move on to something more benign

niggly you may or may not have noticed that I enjoy a debate on the political thread, and you may or may not have noticed that I avoid addressing grans at a personal and name calling level. This does not include GO and anyone else who is intent in causing real sufferi g to the disabled and mentally infirm. Gideon is the least of his names in my opinion.

Spot on Djen ( about Osborne's name) Why play about with names, it's policies that matter.

Couldn't care less really.
Why are you more concerned about what Osborne is called rather than the fact that this government is no longer concerned about democracy?
I would have thought that that was more important.
Before anyone says so, I am well aware that the House of Lords is not democratically elected, but it is the second house in this country. Why should the government be able to threaten the House of Lords?

nigglienellie I am with you on thinking this Gideon thing is childish, why not fume about the policies and then we would think more of the poster.It may have been amusing/ surprising to some that his first name wasn't George, but that has long worn off by now.
You see Djen, that Tories come in all shades, just like within all the other political parties.Amazing eh?
Another back of the envelope job?Well, at least not a fag packet.