Attacks in Paris

Cannot agree Lilygran I think it has no meaning at all with extremist killings.

Wilma that was a good post.

Agree, Anniebach. And roses, faith isn't a kind of hobby. All the 'Bible quotes and bits and bobs' actually have meaning, particularly in the face of horror like the recent terrorist attacks.

You may suggest whatever you like anniebach but it won't cut any ice with me.
I can't be the only poster not wanting this thread to turn into a religious battle of wits between evangelical posters.Time and place etc.
Never understood pacifists, leaving others to sort out the battles, but do have sympathy with consciencious objectors.

rosesarered is not the only member to have expressed the opinion that this is not an appropriate thread to be quoting bits of the bible and comparing religions. There were several of us who mentioned it earlier in the thread.

True rosesarered, not only soon, I have replied to her, I will not ignore her. So you don't want any religious posts on this thread, well as a pacifist I don't want any talk of bombing on this thread but unlike you I do not expect others not to post what I disagree with and unlike you I have no desire to control threads,

soon, quoted from the bible because it's relevant to her , I replied because I chose to . May I suggest less attempts from you to dictate who may say what and you ignore posts which do not meet with your approval

petra that quote always moves me.

I think moderate Muslims speaking out more about extremism would be helpful for several reasons. It would be a response to people who think all Muslims are a threat and not British enough. It would also be a signal to extremists like IS that they will not be cowed. Perhaps if more Muslims did speak out, some would stop feeling sorry for themselves and thinking about themselves as victims. It's about standing up and being counted.

There is a global Islamic peace movement called Ahmadiyya and you can read about it here and here . It's headquartered here in the UK and the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA), which is the largest Muslim youth group in the UK, meets annually to discuss promoting peace and religious tolerance - Muslim peace rally.

Roses. You had to know it would rear it's head. But I have to say I love it when the Christians disagree on their interpretation of the bible.

For once I agree wholeheartedly with ab!

I for one will take your point rosesarered, and if I deem it necessary, I will start a thread in the religious topic at some future point in time.

Actually...... It isn't just stb. All the bible quotes and bits and bobs do nothing for the thread, which is about the attacks in Paris.I get sick of them,am sure am not the only one, we have religious threads but this aint one of them.

Perhaps rosesarered, because soon as the same right as you to post her views and opinions, yes?

Why have we got all this pseudoChristian mumbo jumbo on this thread?

No soon. It would make no difference at all to IS. But it would be nice to hear. And TBH, a lot of them do.

Yes Petra, and as Ghandi said - an eye for an eye and the whole world turns blind

Well, I hope she wasn't cowed by it.

So, she is a bit naive. [shrug]

jing I saw that video too and it's a shame the full version isn't the one that hit the news and went viral on the Internet. I'm sure she learned a lot from that experience.

I take what she said to mean military action can never be the whole solution to the Middle East problems (and elsewhere like Afghanistan and Pakistan) and that at some point the views of those involved will have to be heard and discussed. If this doesn't happen, the cycle of conflict will continue, along with poverty, disease, etc. Much easier said than done and IS would never be part of such a discussion, so it would be anyone else.

I don't believe that our beliefs should be imposed on anyone, but I do believe in religious freedom as long as no one is harmed and that doesn't just mean physically harmed. So for me that might mean getting agreement not to treat females as second class citizens (e.g. women can't drive in Saudi Arabia). Education as a basic right for all children up to a certain age. I can't explain this well and sound ridiculous, perhaps someone else can. Who could facilitate ideological discussions is beyond me too.

Genuine question. If people loving muslims speak out, will it make much difference?
I would like to think that it would, but I suspect that in a lot of ways it wont.

Anniebach, you know as well as I do, that some bits in the Bible were said in a different way further on in the Bible, but lots of it remain intact and were not changed at all.
At least, I have presumed you know that. But perhaps you dont.

Petra absolutely!

I too would like to see all of those "peace loving" Muslims speak out againt the radicals and extremists.

I agree with Gilly, the counter attack has to be from within, that means muslims need to report & be aware of the enemy within..

The ultimate goal of I.S. is the Caliphate way...

I do think we will be a muslim country within the next generation or two.

the infiltration unfortunately is so great, we cannot conrol the borders or the 'homegrown' radicalised british extremists ...

I do not think this is scaremongering, just inevitable.

Perhaps we should leave the Bible out of it altogether!

My kind of woman.
And as the saying goes: Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.

Jingle, I respect soons faith, I cannot agree with her posting verses which suit her views,

Take your pick Jingle

OT - an eye for an eye

NT - how many times should I forgive ,seven? No, 70 x 7

Wilma I think what people are actually saying is more important than where on the political spectrum they originate.