Attacks in Paris

Thank you Daisy- and I agree, this is not the place, but I couldn't let it pass. I have witnessed so much hatred today on FaceBook and other places, including neighbours- and it was just too much. Apologies.

Will say it again, the 1000s of peaceful Muslims in France will suffer terribly due to this- my heart goes to all, Muslim and all.

It was said on the news one of the dead assassins has been identified, born in France

Son's girlfriend is safe thank goodness. She was intending to go out last night to an area quite close to the restaurant attack but didn't go because she felt too tired. How easy for anyone to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Good news for us but the worst kind of news for so many families today who will now be in shock and mourning. I agree there is no difference in lives lost whether East or West but of course we all feel for our own loved ones first. A very dark day for France.

I see I said 'their religion' in my first post. I agree I should have said 'their interpretation of religion'. Apologies.

Also Ana and Alea slow typing fingers today.

Yes I agree soon.

I agree with Ana and Soontobe that this is neither the time or the thread to debate fundamentalist OT theology. OT theology IMO has more to do with Judaism than Christianity although of course I accept that early Christians were raised in the OT and Hebrew tradition. Turns of phrase , ev n after centuries of translation and interpretation are always going to reflect their era.
And, Granjura I know you have a thing about the KKK, but again this risks derailing this thread, reviving former debates/discussions which have been hammered to death on other threads.
Fair enough, discussions can ramble and go off at tangents, but we have been there already

I dont know about anyone else, but I think a different thread to debate or talk about all the different elements that may come out of this attrocity, may be the way forward.
Personally, and I cant speak for anyone else, it would be nice if this one was more about remembering those who died and have injuries, many of them serious.

I don't think I attributed anything directly to Islam, which I hold to mean 'Peace'. It seems that terrorists pervert beliefs to justify their actions. I stand by my comment.

A shame, this thread started off well.

ok, I will leave someone else to answer if needs be.

soontobe- I am sorry- but if it is relevant, to illustrate an important point- then I will.

the BBC are saying that one of the terrorists came through Greece in September.
Goodness knows how many others may have entered Europe this way

You've said yourself that there are parts of the Old Testament that no one would actually take literally and act upon these days.

So even if the stuff about the virgins awaiting the terrorists in paradise were in the Koran (which I know it is not) no one who was not an extremist would dream of acting on it.

Anyway, I don't think this is the thread to debate such matters yet again.

granjura. With respect, I would rather you dont do a post about christianity, while discussing the Koran. I take your point without you needing to do that.
as people can indeed mistranslate and misinterpret things.

In a way I would disagree with you slightly Ana, because if other people can be shown that it is not in the Koran, then that has to be a good thing. If it really was in the Koran, there would be even more problems in my opinion.

I'd say that is does matter, hugely. It's a bit like saying that the KKK is a Christian organisation and acting on behalf of Christians.

My heart goes out to France- but also to all the peaceful Muslims there, as said, often still treated like 3rd class citizens, even when fully integrated, not wearing specific clothing, well educated, etc- and who will suffer even more if that kind of 'amalgam' takes hold and such nonsense used against them.

It doesn't matter whether it's in the Koran or not. It's what the terrorists believe.

I'm sure most people are aware that the vast majority of muslims believe no such thing and want to distance themselves from these extremists.

Have you ever red the old testament...what about:
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

and the new:
Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

e.g. has the Westboro church something to about Christianity...not at all
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

No-where in the Koran are 72 virgins promised to murderers or terrorists.

It takes just a few minutes to research this and see that it is a mis-translation and mis-interpretation. Very easy for enemies of the 'Christian West' to pick bits of the old testament to demonstrate what a violent religion Christianity is.

grandchildren I meant of course.

It is the 70 virgins who are awaiting these suicide bombers when they arrive in paradise. Thats the reward for them.

Of course it is France at the moment but it is a world problem and Annibach is right when the cost of lives is being counted, there is often a difference between East and West.
I always have a selfish thought and think of my dcs and wonder when they leave home to travel the world what the risks will be then.
This is a really sad day.

So do terrorists add the bit about blowing themselves up and going to Paradise, on to the Koran in some way granjura?
Or are you saying that the terrorists dont believe that?

I think we should all carry ID cards. Other countries do without any discernable problems. I absolutely no problem at all with ccttv cameras, anyone reading my extremely tedious emails or any other form of surveillance. If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear, and if this is what has to happen to keep us safe, then, bring it on!

The Koran, again and again, refutes murder and terrorism. Here is just one passage, but there are many many more throughout:

1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

Daisyanswerdo

'Their religion tells them they will go to Paradise when they blow themselves up. '

please, do not fall in this trap- this has nothing to do with Islam.