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Should GB be a world power

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vampirequeen Thu 26-Nov-15 08:55:18

This is a genuine attempt to start a discussion so although this is my opinion please don't simply shoot me down in flames.

A century ago GB was indeed a world power. The Empire was built through a mixture of exploration, annexation, trade and military intervention. At that time the adage that 'the sun never set on the British Empire' was true and GB was a strong, rich military and industrial power.

Jump forward to 2015. The British Empire no longer exists and British industry has to fight to survive in a competitive international market.

Many fail to see this and still live in a empirical dream world where GB is still the centre of the universe. Isn't it time to face facts? GB is a small, insignificant county. Still rich compared to many countries but not the power it used to be. With this in mind should we really see ourselves as a world police force. Cutting defence (a weird way of describing going to war) spending would free up so much money. I'm not saying all of it but do we really need nuclear weapons and other first strike capabilities. Education, the NHS, pensions, disability benefits, housing and a host of other things which benefit the British people could be improved by increased spending.

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 22:33:05

I think Anniebachherself introduced the idea of a "joke" when she said;

pointing out the difference of troop and troupe was cruel , I could and would have accepted it as a joke
Neither the time nor the place I would have said.
(It's strange how the accusations of "bullying" raise their ugly head just because somebody disagrees with someone else, or when it ibecomes clear that an argument is indefensible)

POGS Thu 26-Nov-15 22:26:12

Anniebach

You asked:-

'I wondered if mothers thought this mess in Syria is worth the deaths of their children'

I would stop trying to dig yourself out of the hole you created for yourself. It would have been bad enough a question had it been a generalisation but you made it a personal question to fellow GN's for what end , to score points for your pacifist view, try to cause upset by being so insensitive.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:18:29

Where is anyone joking? confused

Of course it's a serious thread. So stick to the subject.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:17:26

And mocking an error is acceptable ?

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 22:15:01

This is a serious thread about a deadly serious subject. Not the place for joking.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:13:50

Thank you Jingle,it was a silly error and if it had to pointed out so publicly it could at least have been done without the mocking , pointing out the difference of troop and troupe was cruel , I could and would have accepted it as a joke

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:11:55

And stop the nasty bullying.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:08:42

Hat is so mean - pointing out a simple little mistake! angry We are none of us are quite so young as we used to be and we all make the odd mistake.

Disgusting!

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:06:37

Alea, I don't recall you asking others is they are going to answer a question, you may have , I don't read every thread , is it not my choice to answer or not without being challenged ?

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 22:01:43

Then how about moving on and back to the discussion, are you going to comment on what has been said, either by Elegran or me?

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 21:53:44

I know it was the wrong word, I do know how to spell troops, I used the wrong word, not because I didn't know the difference , I see this as spelling incorrectly which is was

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 21:50:45

It was not a spelling mistake, it was a different word, that simple really.

Ana Thu 26-Nov-15 21:49:28

Elegran, exactly. We have to accept the choices our children make and keep whatever reservations we may have to ourselves. That's the grown-up thing to do.

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 21:48:37

However, if ducking out of the rejection of your argument by claiming victimisation for getting it wrong, gets you out of a tight spot, by all means take the easy way out, but take on board what Elegran, POGS, Roses and others say before sinking into your glow of satisfaction that what you claim is true.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 21:47:21

No sarcasm Alea, I made a spelling error, that it boosts your ego by pointing it out says much about your need , I could never do that , nasty and uncalled for , is it permitted on this forum ?

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 21:43:06

With or without the extra "o"!!

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 21:42:29

Your sarcasm is wasted. Troupes are not the same thing as trooops.
It's as simple as that.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 21:41:44

I will not be bait for the few on a very serious thread , that simple really

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 21:40:13

Oh I made a spelling mistake again, but no worries there is always Alea to correct me , you are so kind Alea

Yet again I apologise for my spelling error

Ana Thu 26-Nov-15 21:31:51

Dear me, Anniebach, you've got room to talk about failed attempts at mind-reading, you're always doing it! grin

Elegran Thu 26-Nov-15 21:31:49

I know someone whose son joined the police force rapid armed response unit. That situation was much the same - going into danger to contain trouble and keep others from getting hurt. Not the career any mother would have envisaged for their child, but when it is the choice of an adult, parents concentrate on the being proud of the good that they are doing, while accepting that there is a chance of being shot while on duty.

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 21:24:44

Because Ana, much was said by families of armed forces serving in Afghanistan, the calls by the public to - bring our troupes home , yes their choice but I wondered if mothers thought this mess in Syria was worth the deaths of their children

Anniebach
I think this is below the belt. The next of kin in any war situation will dread getting news that their son or daughter, husband, wife, father or mother has fallen or been wounded in the line of duty. But the clue is in those last 5 words*in the line of duty*. Please don't play the "guilt" card as some sort of emotional blackmail. We may have come a long way from the rhetoric of WWI and no longer go blindly into battle muttering "Dulce et decorum est" etc, but our servicemen and women enlist with their eyes open. Their families respect their decision, support them and yes, pray they will come home safely.
And PLEASE they are fighting personnel, not flipping acrobats or jugglers, so troops not what you wrote.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 21:17:47

Was it Ana, you try hard at mind reading but fail miserably . If there was relative here who said they thought it right or not would not change ny opinions on this. The difference between you and me is - I ask to learn, you know it all well think you do, in this case you are so wrong.

Ana Thu 26-Nov-15 21:02:06

It's also pretty obvious what response you were hoping for, Anniebach when you asked whether any mothers thought this mess in Syria was worth the deaths of their children.

The use of emotive language doesn't always work, though.

rosesarered Thu 26-Nov-15 20:56:42

Of course parents worry about their ( grown up) children who are serving in the armed forces, goes without saying surely? that's not a reason why those same adults ( not children) shouldn't do the job they are paid to do and also love doing btw or they wouldn't be in the forces at all.When called on to serve the country they do so with pride, and do not want people trying to somehow 'shield' them as if they really are children!I would imagine that most of the RAF are ready and willing to run missions over Syria, why not, they are already running missions over Iraq and bombing ISIS there.