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Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

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JessM Fri 27-Nov-15 08:30:52

Blair took us into the Iraq war (to keep his American allies happy) and the Middle East was de-stabilised.
Its even more unstable and Cameron seems keen to send bombers there,presumably to keep his EU allies happy (given his negotiations...).
ISIS/DEA-SH thrive on chaos. They are a death cult aimed at hastening the end of the world. (Day of Judgement, Islam style).
Given the chaos in Syria and Iraq with all the different factions on the ground and Russia joining the throng in the air I cannot see why joining in would be either helpful or wise.
The poor civilians on the ground are now in fear of Assad, De-ash/ISIS and the bombs.
Cameron's arguments are thin.
Here are some more arguments on the other side voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/11/27/how-many-innocents-will-die-because-of-right-wing-labours-petulance/
Your MP will be heading back to their constituency to think about this over the weekend.
If you are against the bombing please, please write to your MP.
You can use this very easy site. You just type in your postcode and the site will ensure that your MP gets your email. They will be getting lots of emails on the subject so there is no need to be long-winded, so it's a 5 minute task. www.writetothem.com

nigglynellie Mon 30-Nov-15 16:50:09

I'm afraid I don't follow your logic Barrowlass. How on earth could the problem of defeating these appalling monsters be resolved swiftly if government officials were to be the first to die? I'm not sure that Isil would care one at or the other never mind desist their murderous agenda.

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 16:48:14

The actual refugees are not being bombed. Syrian civilians, who still live there of course want Assad to stop it, and perhaps we can work towards that end if we are involved, but the main thing from our point of view is to stop ISIS, and just because it will be difficult is no reason not to try.

durhamjen Mon 30-Nov-15 16:40:05

act.thesyriacampaign.org/sign/we-want-to-go-home

Syrian refugees do not want us to bomb them. They want us to stop Assad bombing them. Most Syrian refugees are fleeing from Assad, not IS.

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 16:13:44

I doubt the government officials have learned to fly jets, in fact don't think they are even in the RAF at all!
The country afterwards is rebuilt, many towns and cities there are already destroyed, either by bombs or by ISIS who have a nasty habit of taking anything of value and then slashing and burning before moving on.

Barrowlass Mon 30-Nov-15 15:46:39

Let the government officials who decide bombing is the answer be the first ones to die and there will soon be a swift resolution to the problem. Won't happen though as someone else's blood being spilt will be done away from Westminster.

If bombing does take place what happens to the country afterwards when their utilities and services are destroyed?

rosequartz Mon 30-Nov-15 14:43:55

So you are mistaken to claim the reply was anything to do with the interview on the bombing and security
No, I didn't 'claim it', but that is what I understood from your post. Misunderstood. smile

rosequartz Mon 30-Nov-15 14:42:14

Rosequartz, I listened again to the interview this morning , many questions on Syria all answered calmly and without any mention of enjoying it

I didn't listen to it (although DH had it on in the other room), so I only took your word for it anniebach and misunderstood what you said he was enjoying.
Pax.

rosequartz Mon 30-Nov-15 14:39:04

We got rid of Hussain but are still bombing Iraq
I think that statement needs clarification - it is not specific enough.

Rather:
'We got rid of Hussein and are now bombing ISIL in their strongholds in Iraq.'

Of course, because there was no post-Iraq war policy so a vacuum was left which has been filled. Bush and Blair at fault again.

POGS Mon 30-Nov-15 14:11:56

Jingle

Not really clever clogs just interested in understanding the subject to make a comment.

wink

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 13:35:52

Surely not Tegan, not on this forum shock

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 30-Nov-15 13:20:32

tbshock

I could have never remembered the name of old Alibahabha without googling it! By golly! We've got some clever clogs on here!!! tbgrin

Tegan Mon 30-Nov-15 13:06:40

Do I detect a note of sarcasm in that comment tbgrin?

Ana Mon 30-Nov-15 13:03:41

Oh, you're such a wit, Anniebach! tbgrin

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:57:55

Seems even you are not always right rosesarered , don't let it trouble you, it's called being human

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:56:13

whitewave, my shorthand is not so good these days , I really must take more care grin

Gosh some have developed a every word by Corbyn obsession, most unhealthy in my opinion , worrying

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:52:35

Sorry to have caused you to be amazed Petra, doesn't take much to amaze you though hmm

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 12:43:23

True, Petra I thought that everyone on here and interested in world affairs would know that. Any group has leaders, in all cases.

petra Mon 30-Nov-15 12:40:53

Anniebach. I'm amazed that with all the 'stuff' that you must read that you are unaware that there are named leaders of IS. It wasn't that long ago that one of the women that was 'given' to the leader escaped and told her story.
They are based in Iraq.

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 12:40:32

tbwink tbwink
Anyone else think these hats look a bit Tweedledee and Tweedledum?

Ana Mon 30-Nov-15 12:34:30

Yes - there's a subtle difference! wink

whitewave Mon 30-Nov-15 12:18:24

Get it correct annietbgrin

Ana Mon 30-Nov-15 12:13:20

He actually said 'I'm enjoying every moment of it.'

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:05:19

Rosequartz, I listened again to the interview this morning , many questions on Syria all answered calmly and without any mention of enjoying it

Final question from Marr

there is talk about movements against you as leader ,colleagues trying to get legal advise to stop you standing as leader.

And your not going anywhere

Corbyn

I was elected by the members and so I am not going anywhere, I am enjoying it

So you are mistaken to claim the reply was anything to do with the interview on the bombing and security, it was a direct answer to a direct question on him giving up as leader of the Labour Party. You can check on catch up BBC

POGS Mon 30-Nov-15 11:28:47

Lucky girl

The statement you make in your last sentence is happening. There have been so many interviews, discussions, debates on exactly that point , even parliament on a regular basis says the same.

The point is it has not stopped IS from recruiting UK citizens, it has not stopped the 7 thwarted attacks on UK soil from happening, that was down to intelligence and luck , it has not stopped those who are ideologically driven to destroy the UK. At best it will diminish the numbers, the brain washing but it will not protect the UK.

mollie Mon 30-Nov-15 11:25:09

No. But I don't have an alternative solution and can we, in all conscience, sit back and do nothing?