Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

whitewave I just got lucky as I was the first person along to think of it

TerriBull has express my view very clearly and coherently, thank you for that. I also agree with Luckygirl, bombs are not the answer....and imagine if we were to spend all the money the bombs are costing us in helping the Syrian population to survive and develop ?

" Britain must do something positive to protect ourselves."

Indeed so. But it must do the wisest thing, not what it is dragged into by others, or is a knee-jerk reaction to an atrocity, or what will engender more radicalization, or will create martyrs, or will kill innocent people to no avail, or will fuel the refugee crisis, or.............

The only way to protect ourselves is to enter into a dialogue with muslim communities here in the UK and around the world and to use enhanced professional intelligence services to pinpoint the ringleaders and bring them to justice (in whatever form is appropriate at the time).

Yes quite jings. Antler waving AKA display of macho power. Understandable yes. Wise and considered, no.

annie I thought you meant that Corbyn was enjoying every minute of the decision making and dissension in the ranks re the Syria issue, not the whole being leader thing.
I thought it was re that particular issue, that is why I found it worrying.

Stressful, worrying, using every ounce of his persuasive powers - yes - but not 'enjoyable' surely?
Unless he is feeling detached from reality - which is what stress can do in fact.

Of course his name keeps popping up - he is leader of the opposition and crucial to which way the vote goes.
It would be odd if his name did not pop up!

Thanks for the link JessM- letter to MP written. I think it is absolutely ludicrous that we are even considering bombing. Given that someone is buying IS oil, someone is providing them with weapons and we will then be using more weapons to destroy them SOMEONE is benefitting from this.

I was waiting for that! You were first to bite rose

Yes, Go Corbyn ( as in please just go.)

We can't sit around here all arguing amongst ourselves "Should we, Shouldn't we bomb". Britain must do something positive to protect ourselves. The very people who are against bombing will scream the loudest when tragedy comes to these shores. In WW1 they believed that a prolonged artillery barrage would do the trick, but no it didn't. I lived through the blitz in the 1940's also the bombing of Germany day and night by the RAF and the USAAF. Neither achieved their objective. No one sued for peace.
To be successful you have to have an army on the ground with an air force umbrella up above. However just at the present it would be wise to allow the RAF to penetrate into Syria if the situation demands it, but not as a regular practice.
Our big problem is our present elected representatives in the main have not worn the Queens uniform. In 1939 many MP's had been in the trenches WW1, as had many of the voters and knew what war was like first hand so were able to take a more balanced view.

apologies for leaving out a lot of letters this morning. can't even blame ipad as I am on desktop.

I really don't think you can accuse Hollande of "antler wving". His immediae reaction was very understable. And went far beyond the waving of any antlers.

With IS embedded in France, UK etc how is bombing in Syria going to help?

(that ws in response to absent's post)

This current proposed bombing is not intended to sort out Syria in any way. It is just to stop IS further terrorising the West. No strategy is needed beyond that goal. The Syria thing is totally different.

Been out yesterday till late- there is plenty of evidence of there, if you look for it. Plenty of videos showing US soldiers rolling around in trucks full of gold bars too. Here is one video from 'dispatches'- but this information has been stifled by gvts involved, for very good reasons- same as the sale of Irak's amazing archeological and antiques treasures- Irak, like Syria, had a fabulous cultural heritage:

youtu.be/JXlCmRf9Aig

Mind you I do think it touch and go!

Go Corbyn indeed. Fingers crossed then.

A suggestion this morning that if Corbyn decides to whip the Labour MPs then the vote may not go ahead as D.C. will assume he can't get a majority.

GO! Corbyn

Thank you POGS. I didn't know there were named leaders of IS. One wonders why in two years and with the intelligence of the UK, America, France and many other countries they haven't found these men , not even Asaad knows where there are surely . Perhaps they are not in Syria.

Antler waving absent, I agree, particularly in the case of President Hollande. You can understand his response to the atrocities in Paris - wanting to appear as a strong, in-control leader who is taking decisive action. But not necessarily the wisest course. It was a very rapid reaction. Just like Bush declaring a war on terror. And look what it achieved - nearly 13,000 US deaths.
watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2013/USandCoalition.pdf

If military strategists are saying – and they are – that bombing is not going to defeat IS (or whatever they are called) and only action on the ground may be able to do it, why is anyone contemplating more bombing? Because it looks as if something is happening, being achieved, but without the loss of life ground troops would suffer.

There is no overall strategy, no plan for the future beyond bombing – just egos wanting to show off. Remember Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Tony Blair in Iraq.

Anniebach

'Who is the leader of IS? There isn't one.'

He is Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi. Second in command is Abu Ala al-Afri

Hope is a long way off for peace in Iraq as you say but on Oct 6th in Baghdad 2 very powerful Shiite leaders Moktada al-Sadr and Abdul Aziz Hakim jointly announced a peace agreement between their two warring militia groups.

It may not last long but there is hope.

I don't think saying one is enjoying one's job is undiplomatic, perhaps if an undertaking or a hangman but not a party leader

No, I mean be a bit more diplomatic.

Do you mean be less honest Ana?