Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

So it was okay for our soldiers to join of their own free will, but Syrians fleeing Daesh are supposed to go back there and fight on any side, so long as they fight, but not come here as refugees?
Double standards here, I think.

Sorry just realised you said it was an aircraft carrier - Lancelot was not!

niggly my DH was in Borneo with the Ghurkas in 1966. They all came out from there in Lancelot to Singapore. That wasn't your DH's ship was it?

dj and Anniebach.
Ephesians chpt 1 v 1-14
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:4
God chose us.

Quite usual in close extended families for the young male to leave wife and children ,not to fend for themselves but with parents and other older family members whilst the man travels looking for a place of safety to bring their families to. If anyone checks the migration records of the UK they will see the same happened here. Not all but many.

Most of the fleeing men are on their own. Presumably they've left their families to fend for themselves.

rosequartz Syria is such a flipping mess. This is the country where a pro-democracy movement (to the cheers of many outside Syria) was turned on by their Government who created an unnecessary civil war. So millions were fleeing to the refugee camps to get away from that vicious onslaught, made possible by arms sold to Assad.
Various militia groups then spring up, some of them democrats and some Al Quaida backed. ISIS emerges in all this chaos.
If it was your son would you want him to get his family as far as possible from the carnage or set off back into the middle of it to volunteer in this mess?

My DH was in Aden in the early 60's (he wasn't DH then!) serving in an Aircraft Carrier, ferrying troops and equipment, and as a very junior officer, commanding military protection for the evacuation. The same in Borneo, although of course we weren't told too much, and he's hardly mentioned it from that day to this. As our fathers hardly ever talked about their wartime experiences this was pretty normal for us. But I do know that he felt that he joined the armed forces of his own free will and was well aware that it could mean putting his well being, even his life on the line. Presumably our armed forces join with this knowledge as well.

One if the daft things Liam Fox said amongst others, was that we need to bomb in order to degrade IS. So far the US alone has carried out nearly 3K air raids -we have carried out 130 in Iraq. Apparently this has not yet stopped IS except one town taken back by the Kurds. How many raids does ut take? And how will our piddly but help.

Grammatical errors!! Hope ykwim

I don't think anyone is suggesting bombing Syria indiscriminately

I haven't heard that either. What I did heard that British expertise is needed because the targeting would be very precise. As far as I know, it has not been suggested that an operation such as Bush carried out in Iraq is planned - and I sincerely hope that is not the case.
More planning needs to be done with all allies about what the plan would be for Syria is this goes ahead.

^What I don't understand is why our forces should have to put themselves in danger when so many Syrian men are feeing their own country for safety here or elsewhere.
I agree ginny and so did those Greek women who were shouting at them and telling them they should be ashamed of themselves. They could have joinedtheir compatriots whichever side they were on, government or 'freedom fighters'.

The Syrian men fleeing their country are not soldiers and are victims of both IS and Asaad who has been using chemical weapons on them
There are soldiers in Syria and groups of resistance fighters, all of whom would welcome recruits I am sure.

I thought I read soon's posts as saying that she would pray for everyone, even the wicked. And I think many people would agree with that, that they should pray to God to turn them from their wicked ways.

Just listening to Fox - I have never heard such tosh in my life!

My brother's boots were on the ground in the Gulf War. This is what we are reaping from that time.
His boots were also on the ground in Aden in the 60s. He couldn't come to my wedding because he'd just been sent out there, age 19. His best friend died in Aden.
Not much gets mentioned about Yemen now.

www.caat.org.uk/media/press-releases/2015-06-10

This is why we should stop selling arms to Saudi. If we carry on making and selling arms to countries which abuse human rights, we are complicit.

Some top retiree army brass said we need boots on the ground, it will be over in two weeks, over by Christmas !

I suppose that's why they are coming round to the fact that 'boots on the ground' would be required. Yes, it might be easy enough to flatten the whole of the region, but no, not ethical!

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I don't think anyone is suggesting bombing Syria indiscriminately. The IRA didn't have he known headquarters that IS have.

Someone posted on Twitter that bombing Syria was a bit like bombing Crosmaglen at the height of the troubles.
I think there are interesting parallels.
Home grown terrorists were letting off car bombs and IEDs in NI and mainland Britain. They were our own home-grown terrorists (not to mention religious extremists on both sides), product of our own country's history - as are many members of ISIS.
And the mess in the Middle East is also in part a UK responsibility, where we meddled and drew national borders in the past. Piled into the Iraq war. And continued to sell arms more recently.

Did anyone ever seriously suggest bombing the iRA? No - this would never have been agreed by parliament would it? Too many civilian casualties and - well really - not ethical.
And was the situation resolved by escalating violence? No it was not.
Despite the fact that, at the time, many of us were pessimistic that the IRA and the protestant extremists would ever sit down together in the same room let alone agree to power sharing and an end to hostilities.
Blair may have messed up re. Iraq but patient diplomacy by the likes of Mo Mowlem brought peace at last to NI and mainland UK.

Gods choice who becomes a Christian ? What rubbish, you really believe he chose you soon , he didn't chose me, he gave me free will and choice comes with free will, I chose to follow Christ .

Soon, I thought Christians believed that God was everywhere, in which case he can be mentioned on every thread, not just the religious ones.

Why is it God's choice who becomes a Christian? I thought he wanted everyone to be one. It is surely our choice whether we are Christian or not.

This is what I mean by taking the Bible as a whole, and not merely parts.

Seem to remember Christ preached non-violence as opposed to the Old Testament "eye for an eye"

Romans chapter 12 v 9 to end. And all of Romans chpt 13 explain it quite well.

Here's an article giving figures of available aircraft, if UK decides to bomb Isilo in Syria
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11715604/Heres-how-many-planes-the-Royal-Air-Force-has-available-to-fight-Isil.html
If you search for the Russian equivalent they have many more.
Personally, I would say leave it to Russia ( and France if that's what they're planning.)
As for forces on the ground, it would be like going into the mouth of the dragon.

God's will, so why bother trying to change the laws that allow unstable people to accumulate an armoury of weaponry.

God doesnt intervene in what humans do as much as most Christians would like him to. By a long way. It is a question that I think a lot of Christians would be interested in in Heaven some day.