Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

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This is clever of the RAF. They have completely obliterated the same oilfield twice.

I'm sure on a R5 interview yesterday they said Da-esh was an acronym for bigots in Arabic.

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Steve Bell's cartoon, I hope.

Ana You said:

"at least Benn's change of mind shows he isn't stuck in some time-warp of Labour ideology and can actually think for himself."

Two weeks previously he'd said, re whether we should join the bombing:

"No. They have to come up with an overall plan, which they have not done. I think the focus for now is finding a peaceful solution to the civil war."

Well, there was still no coherent overall plan and several military bodies/ individuals and middle east experts supported the view that there wasn't, so it can't be argued that something had come to light that had changed his mind. I stand by my view that he used the opportunity to grandstand on an issue where it was already known that the "no" vote could not win.

I am not a Labour supporter but I have to say that I thought Hilary Benn summed everything up very well.

Mine does, roseq. It's a Vax.

Off to vac the floors. More illuminating. I used to have one of those hoovers years ago with a light on the front. That was very illuminating and very useful indeed. Why don't they make them like that any more I wonder.
Don't keep your neighbours awake!

Red herring. Back to thread.

Whatever...how silly you are sometimes, durhamjen!

So it wasn't a quite straightforward post, and therefore it cannot be a ridiculous interpretation.

Off to vac the floors. More illuminating.

Perhaps I should!

I wasn't the only one who thought you meant that, Ana. Perhaps you should try and be more explicit.

What makes you think that only people who change their mind think for themselves?

Did I say that, durhamjen? No, of course I didn't. Yet another of your ridiculous interpretations of a quite straightforward post.

www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/Saudi-Arabia

This is the country that we sell arms to. It's the only other country in the world that has bought our Brimstone missiles.
A man on the radio this morning talking about his family in Damascus said that if you look in the schools in Daesh ruled areas the books are from Saudi. It is Saudi which is bankrolling Daesh.
A human rights lawyer is in prison for defending people.

So, because he voted the way that some people don't like, he is now being touted as opportunistic? That takes the biscuit, even for the political threads on this forum.

Does it really show he can think for himself - to change his mind so drastically within two weeks? Or does it show him to be an opportunist who knew which way the wind was blowing and decided to blow along with it?

What makes you think that only people who change their mind think for themselves?
Does that mean that you never think for yourself, because I cannot recall you ever saying you've changed your mind about anything.

That's dashed his chances of replacing Corbyn.

What makes you think he had such hopes, durhamjen?

And as someone on another thread has said, at least Benn's change of mind shows he isn't stuck in some time-warp of Labour ideology and can actually think for himself.

Daesh is an insult to them ( good!) as it is close to the Arabic for ' trampled underfoot' ie. Rubbish.So let everyone call them that.

"An interview published on 15 November in which Hilary Benn said he did not advocate bombing Isis in Syria has been shared widely on social media in the aftermath yesterday’s Syria debate in Parliament.

The interview saw renewed interest after the shadow foreign secretary … advocated the bombing of Syria.

In the previous interview, given to the Independent on Sunday… Mr Benn was asked whether the Government should bring forward a vote on bombing Isis in Syria, which was at that time not planned. He replied:

“No. They have to come up with an overall plan, which they have not done. I think the focus for now is finding a peaceful solution to the civil war.

The comments contrast with the view stated by Mr Benn in his speech two weeks later. In that speech he urged Labour MPs to vote for bombing."

That's dashed his chances of replacing Corbyn.

Anniebach, it isn't only David Cameron who says Isil should be called Daesh, it's been pushed by every side involved, except Daesh, for weeks now. I found a post on my Facebook page last week that said Is had threatened to cut out the tongue of anyone who called them Daesh because it's an insult. I don't know if the post was true of course!

The charity I support is LILY, a small one which takes no money for itself.

The charity is asking this time for money for shoes for Syrian refugee children (£5 for a pair of shoes for a child who would otherwise be walking around in the cold Turkish winter barefoot). Also money is needed for essential goods. There was a thread about VAT on sanitary products for women and girls - imagine not having any at all.

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Here's the figure from the BBC then, rather than from the charity I posted from:

More than 250,000 Syrians have lost their lives in four-and-a-half years of armed conflict, which began with anti-government protests before escalating into a full-scale civil war. More than 11 million others have been forced from their homes as forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and those opposed to his rule battle each other - as well as jihadist militants from Islamic State

Probably worse than those two sets of figures I posted as the reports are dated two months ago.

whitewave, horrific to read those numbers , one is one too many, I feel such despair , what are we doing to each other

France, as the biggest manufacturer and exporter of arms to the near and middle east, must be clapping their hands
That's a rather cruel thing to say under the circumstances.

Andy Burnham voted no