What ideas are there instead of bombing?

I think the answer lies in education. The more that schools can involve all children in sport, music, and any other activities whereby kids considering joining ISIS see and listen to other kids talking about their good exciting secular lives the better. If they are involved learning a skill ,- badminton, violin, boxing, swimming, whatever. there will be less time for them to learn how to make bombs. Gradually they may begin to believe that life is for living.

Good idea, BUT doesn't help the present situation one jot.

I do like the term 'antler waving' jess. I think that could possibly be what Cameron and his tribe are doing, but I can excuse Hollande.

Yes jing with you there

stop buying oil.

Here's why we shouldn't bomb:
syriadirect.org/news/50000-people-without-access-to-drinking-water-after-reported-russian-airstrike-hits-well/

Lizkat

How does your idea work when we allow madrassas in the UK and yes other religious schools should be mentioned for fairness. I focus on the madrassa as they don't believe in anything you advocate.

Personally I would go down the French road and ban all faith schools.

Yeah. Personally I don,'t think any schools should be faith schools. Integration not segregation.

Here's why we shouldn't bomb
But that is what has been happening for over four years.
That is why the little charity I support has been trying to get water purification kits into Syria for a long time - along with other necessities including flour as the bakeries are being bombed - women dying in the queues as they wait to buy bread.

We should not bomb Syria. It would be like dropping a pebble in a pond, the repercussions will spread like the ripples on the pond.
We have to remember that Muslims see themselves as single entities, the Shia's as one global entity and the Sunnis as another global entity. This understanding is indoctrinated into their psyche from birth and this is why we have the global uprisings when there is perceived offence i.e. Cartoons and this is why there are global silent sympathisers with ISIS's intent. I doubt that there is any true Muslim in the west who does not struggle with their doctrine which ISIS supposedly follows word for word.
We will not gain anything by bombing.
We should use our resources towards developing citizenship and social cohesion for all residents of the U.K. to try and ensure that loyalty is towards their country of residence rather than some distant apparent kinship dictated by foreign imams even if this means the curtailment of some freedoms.
If bombing was to happen it should only be directed towards strangling trade I.e. Oil fields or transport routes.

Nigglynellie. Saudi Arabia buys arms from the UK. Yes. Us! We can cut off the arms supply to Isis|isil|daesh just like that. What is the premise for bombing Syria? Absolute madness that will devastate more innocents while daesh rub their grubby little hands with glee at the resentment and hatred being caused by killing civilians. Absolutely hopelessly misguided.

OK accepting that the UK should stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia and it did.

Do you honestly believe that IS will not / could not obtain arms from not one even one more country in the world. Maybe Iran.

Read that link starbird. I noticed that it said there was no military presence in the vicinity. That is why they should not be bombed.

syriadirect.org/news/suwayda-journalist-province%e2%80%99s-sons-will-not-be-%e2%80%98offerings-for-assad%e2%80%99/

This is from the same link, about Assad trying to conscript in various provinces. When conscription was resisted, the sheikh was killed. That's another reason to stop helping Assad.

Diane Johnson has just said in parliament that we need Saudi help. Just shows how difficult it is.

It does not matter where IS tries to get its weapons from. It's a UN decision to agree to stop giving arms and financial help. You cannot say IS will get weapons from someone else so they might as well get them from the UN. What's the point of asking other countries to join together in trying to defeat IS, then giving up at the first hurdle?
Iran has just been allowed to have nuclear power. Iran will not go against the UN if it wants nuclear power.

I do not understand, roseq, why it matters that bombing of water supplies has been ongoing for four years. We should have stopped helping Assad four years ago when we knew what he was doing. The 2013 defeat was about bombing Assad. That would not have helped then and it will not help now.

Those who voted for bombing have the military brain of a pea. They are hot heads looking for a clinical button pushing sollution. They don't like to talk about blowing people's heads and limbs off but that is what bombing does, usually to innocent people. Daesh has been given so much warning by the public debate they have dug tunnels under all the towns they hold so they are safe from bombing.
They are citizens of many countries in the world and most of the identities are unknown so they can pass straight through borders including ours unhindered.
Chasing them underground will eventually lead to them to move back to their own countries where they will kill at random.
A ground offensive by the world's special forces 6 months ago was the only viable way to try to kill them.
They are committed to kill us and rape pretty young women. Men, children and older women are no use to them and are killed.
If we don't kill them they will try to kill us.
Daesh is an islamic death cult like several others across the muslim world.
How are we to kill them if we chase them underground?
Decisions need to be taken by very intelligent generals not by hot headed pea brains.
The threat is now worse as a result.
If you know someone in the military why not ask their opinion.

MP's who voted to bomb Syria knew there would be innocent people blown to pieces or maimed, they then come on tv complaining they had received photographs of dead and maimed children pushed through their letter boxes, it distressed them , aw bless

What I need to see now is evidence that the government is pursuing a rounded strategy as it promised. So let's hear what it is doing with regard to countries who are supporting IS either directly or otherwise. Has the oil flow been stopped. How are plans for the inevitable growth of refugees been put into place? Is it talking to the leader of the 70000 army who are to fight IS on the ground? Are plans being formulated to take to the Russian table to get agreement about Syria. Someone said this morning that we are looking at 20 years pkus

whitewave, I too want to see these happenings, they will not, all lies

Anniebach - what a view of humanity you have, to believe politicians who voted for bombing did so with no regard for the deaths that will follow and to sincerely believe any information we're given will be all lies.

I repeat, I did not support the bombing but I watched most of the parliamentary debate and felt the majority of speakers spoke from an informed and compassionate position. I may not have agreed with them but I did feel MP's were taking their role very seriously, as of course they should do.

Are you suggesting Hilary Benn lied, or changed his view from no to yes in order to further his political career. Have you no faith in your fellow humans. Most of us do our best, we muddle through trying to do no harm and to help others where we can.

Iam, I have a realistic view of humanity , all I am saying is do not complain about photographs of children killed and maimed by bombs when one voted to bomb and maim . If they believe their vote was for the greater good accept there will be innocent people killed . No way should these MP's be threatened but complaining that a photograph of a dead child was upsetting them when they supported killing of innocent people?

djen in answer to your post addressed to me of 22.05, I know that (and you, as you obviously read my posts on several threads, are probably aware that I know that.)
However, some people's posts do make it sound as if they are unaware of what has been going on for over 4 years and that they think that the British, by this decision to bomb ISIL, are unilaterally destroying Syria.

Does that make my view plain?
I sometimes wonder if you deliberately misconstrue my posts or whether it is that I do not make myself plain.

I am not saying I agree with the vote btw. Or whether or not this will bring an end to anything or make things worse.

Whitewave - sadly I do not think there is the remotest possibility of talking to the "leader of the 70,00 army" - firstly because it is made up of disparate groups with no clear leader, and secondly because I suspect that this figure is a figment of DC's imagination.

Almost certainly luck just wish he'd be more honest.

Saying that though it does seem to leave the allies with a major problem unless they are willing to send their young men to fight. Not sure if anyone's population has the stomach for that

Anniebach 08.10

You are agreeing with intimidation and harassment of the LabourMP's because it suits your agenda, like may others in the country it appears .

It is not funny to be on the receiving end of such intimidation and when people believe that harassment in the manner of photos of dead babies through your own front door, death threats and blatent outright warnings of being deselected if you do not toe the line is acceptable behaviour then I only fear for our democracy and decency . What is happening with the Labour MP's goes beyond the use of photos of dead babies and threats of deselection , it heralds the start of ' Illiberalism '.

You may feel the photos of dead babies is suitable to be used to cause the MP's personal upset but if we were not sanitised by the code of conduct our media adhere to I think the sight of babies being slaughtered by IS, a child being raped , a woman being crucified would put another side to the barbarism of IS which is happening every day would hit emotions too

If I sent a photo of a baby that had been raped and slaughtered by IS and asked ' ' ' ' Why do you not want to stop this happening ' ' Why are you not fighting this happening ' it would be cruel, stupid and intimidating . The sorrow of death does not belong in the minds of Pacifism, nobody hold a higher ground on morality. It is as destructive to nothing as it is to do something.