What ideas are there instead of bombing?

He needs a Shadow Cabinet without too much dissension and a party without too much plotting against him if he is to achieve anything.
I didn't say I disagreed with him if that was his aim.
cheers

So much I can learn from soon about Corbyn
well, it's best to have a balanced viewpoint I always think

True so true

So much I can learn from soon about Corbyn ,

We usually are nice to each other. Best if you don't draw attention to the occasional pleasantness by dwelling on the spats, it just stirs everyone up.

Sigh!

[Smile] isn't it lovely being nice to each other in this season of goodwill?

He used to be a sit down and talk things through type of guy. Reach a consensus even if you were there a very long time. Sounds like he has had enough of that. He doesnt have time for one thing.

True.

Rational decision. In order To move forward he needs a shadow cabinet that can work together, whatever you think of his political persuasion

Heard on Radio that JC is going to have a very busy Christmas re-jigging his Shadow Cabinet. And then a very quiet New Year.

But I thought he was supposed to be a man of the utmost integrity! Surely he wouldn't employ such sly and underhand methods just to get his own way...?

I still dont understand what it means by no hiding place from whipping. As reosequartz says on another thread, it can have at least 3 meanings.

And possibly more, those three were just my interpretation of 'no hiding place' in that particular context.

I think if an MP defies the Whip that is probably their chances of any promotion gone! If there is no Whip, as there was no Labour Whip for this vote, the MPs can vote with their conscience - but of course the leadership will know who voted which way and if they vote differently to the leadership there is 'no hiding place'. Chances of promotion gone or demotion in a few weeks and possible de-selection apparently.

It may have been a very clever ploy by JBC to allow his MPs a free vote. In that way he can sort out quite simply who disagrees with him, they may eventually be deselected and he may get the type of party he wants without the moderates.

But who lives by the sword shall die by the sword (or the Whip)

Elegran - you might very well think that, I couldn't possibly comment .

Shades of "House of Cards"!

soontobe The Parliamentary Whip has its origins in foxhunting - when all those who aspired to be MPs were familiar with hunting and in how the Master for Hounds (in charge of the hounds, and obeyed by them because, among other things, he supplied their dinner) would control them. I suppose it was a kind of joke that someone controlled them when it was an important vote that their party leader wanted to win.

There are one-line whips, two-line whips and three-line whips. If something is underlined three times then they know that they are expected to vote the "right" way (or the left way if it is for a left-wing party) or they will be obviously out of step with the party line.

It doesn't have to have any bullying involved - it is to acquaint the rank and file MPs with the official party intention on that subject. Any bullying is/should be forbidden. Anyone who seems to be often out of step with party policy would probably realise quite soon that they perhaps have joined the wrong lot.

Whipping can involve blackmail, promises of promotion , threats of demotion , this has been said by MP's

soontobe, he meant that as his MPs had not been 'told' how to vote (i.e. been whipped) then they couldn't hide behind that and pretend, or let it be believed, that maybe they wouldn't have voted that way left to their own devices.

I still dont understand what it means by no hiding place from whipping. As reosequartz says on another thread, it can have at least 3 meanings.
So why hasnt JC cleared the matter up?

I think whipping has a bullying part to it.

With the interns?

Or on the other hand, who knows what MPs get up to in the privacy of their offices, Elegran......

soontobe What did you think that a politician would mean by whipping?

In the context of the House of Commons and party politics, it means the use of the Parliamentary Whip by an official called the Chief Whip who keeps MPs all pointing in the same direction, like a Master for hounds keeping a pack of hunting dogs all chasing the same quarry. If politicians value their position in a party, they pay attention to the Whip. The media picked up on the "no hiding place" and ignored what they would be hiding from. Typical editing.

Did you think it means that someone will come after them and physically attack them with a whip? There is an expression on the lines of "My Dad can whup your Dad" which is mostly used in the States and means he can beat him in a fight, but I don't believe that JC was using it as a threat to attack anyone.

X posts, Annie. Does no harm to point the fact out more than once, though.

Yes, Anniebach. Everyone appears to have missed the fact that a Tory MP is selling ISIL oil and is talking about Corbyn again.

Thanks, soon, being a Corbyn and StoptheWar follower, I am aware of what he meant by no hiding place. In fact, I think I was one of the ones who pointed out what he meant and said. I do not need lessons from anyone who thinks war is justified.

Elegran, whipping means more than that I always thought.