What ideas are there instead of bombing?

Jen, thank you for the link, read it after my post on buying oil and banks involved

So there is support here for bombing which which will kill innocent adults and children because IS kill innocent adults and children ? There is no sense in this sorry, I know no one here wants innocents killed but they will be and this is why I am so against the bombing, plus so many military experts said there will have to be boots on the ground bombing will not free the world if IS.

Some keep attacking me as a Corbyn supporter, what is so wrong with him questioning who is buying the oil, who is selling the arms, which banks are handling the millions

soontobe, You do know, don't you, that here "whipping" means an MP receiving the official party message on how he/she is to vote on a specific subject? I ask because you often say that you are unfamiliar with words (which sometimes makes me think that you don't live in the UK at all)

dj, you are using the half phrase there, and probably in the wrong context. I am on the other thread with you, where we know that that is at best, a half of a phrase, and was to do with whipping[I think].

I don't see anyone pretending they didn't know that children will die because of the bombing.
I see that Matt Carr of Stop the War is suggesting on their website that Daesh/IS reflects the International Brigade but rather than supporting oppressed working classes, Daesh supports oppressed Muslims.
No hiding place indeed.

Everyone knew that children would be killed by bombing. Nobody can pretend otherwise.
"No hiding place", as Corbyn would say.

www.liveleak.com/view?i=619_1437121336#sthash.BuwTROBA.uxfszeShLUMhTfFC0fyd.99

Tory MP accused of selling ISIL oil.

The implication was there, as you know very well.

Iam , I said - you may and not you do. I only speak for myself, I think the bombing will result in more killing of more innocent Syrians and bombing will not stop IS from brutality ,it will increase .

I 've tried and failed to ignore that post Anniebach. What absolute tosh. No one on here, or in the House of Commons 'supported bombing children'. Who, when and where on any of the discussions on this forum has said that 'the bombing of children is justified because IS kill children'.

To repeat, I do not support bombing but I accept the democratic decision reached in the HoC. Living in a democracy sometimes means we have to accept the people we vote in to represent us, don't always reflect our views.

No MP is responsible for the actions of IS, and I am speaking of MP's , I would not agree with the photographs being sent to those here who supported bombing children, they support it but didn't make the decision

You may think the bombing of children is justified because IS kill children ,I do not, we are sinking to their level

Pardon?

I wouldn't send one but I do not condemn anyone for doing so if their action is to show anyone the results of their decisions.

So presumably you would not condemn anyone for sending photos of children raped and slaughtered by ISIS to 'No' voters if the action was to show the ongoing brutality which will continue unchecked as a result of their decision to do nothing.

Did you Ana

I notice you haven't addressed the last paragraph of POGS's post, Anniebach.

POGS, the report I heard was photographs of children killed by bombs , did I mention babies? In my opinion if anyone has given careful thought to bombing and voted in favour of it why complain that a photograph of a child killed by a bomb is distressing ? They are saying I support the bombing but have no wish to see the results of bombing , make decisions and accept the results of one's decision , children are killed by bombing . I am strongly against anyone being threatened for voting for bombing but photographs of the results of bombing ? I wouldn't send one but I do not condemn anyone for doing so if their action is to show anyone the results of their decisions

Bombing kills innocent as well as guilty

Simon danczuk has also involved the police after receiving a threat. He certainly courts the limelight and irritated many on the left by taking money fom the daily mail or the sun, for writing articles criticising jc. He voted for bombing and set out his reasons for this on his Facebook page. The vitriolic, abusive comments he received were abusive. I don't agree with the way he voted but I don't believe either that, or the newspaper articles justify threats or demands he be deselected.

POGS is merely answering anniebachs last posting, as ab doesn't think that sending pictures of dead children to people is a problem!

Have you posted on the wrong thread pogs?

Anniebach 08.10

You are agreeing with intimidation and harassment of the LabourMP's because it suits your agenda, like may others in the country it appears .

It is not funny to be on the receiving end of such intimidation and when people believe that harassment in the manner of photos of dead babies through your own front door, death threats and blatent outright warnings of being deselected if you do not toe the line is acceptable behaviour then I only fear for our democracy and decency . What is happening with the Labour MP's goes beyond the use of photos of dead babies and threats of deselection , it heralds the start of ' Illiberalism '.

You may feel the photos of dead babies is suitable to be used to cause the MP's personal upset but if we were not sanitised by the code of conduct our media adhere to I think the sight of babies being slaughtered by IS, a child being raped , a woman being crucified would put another side to the barbarism of IS which is happening every day would hit emotions too

If I sent a photo of a baby that had been raped and slaughtered by IS and asked ' ' ' ' Why do you not want to stop this happening ' ' Why are you not fighting this happening ' it would be cruel, stupid and intimidating . The sorrow of death does not belong in the minds of Pacifism, nobody hold a higher ground on morality. It is as destructive to nothing as it is to do something.

Almost certainly luck just wish he'd be more honest.

Saying that though it does seem to leave the allies with a major problem unless they are willing to send their young men to fight. Not sure if anyone's population has the stomach for that

Whitewave - sadly I do not think there is the remotest possibility of talking to the "leader of the 70,00 army" - firstly because it is made up of disparate groups with no clear leader, and secondly because I suspect that this figure is a figment of DC's imagination.

djen in answer to your post addressed to me of 22.05, I know that (and you, as you obviously read my posts on several threads, are probably aware that I know that.)
However, some people's posts do make it sound as if they are unaware of what has been going on for over 4 years and that they think that the British, by this decision to bomb ISIL, are unilaterally destroying Syria.

Does that make my view plain?
I sometimes wonder if you deliberately misconstrue my posts or whether it is that I do not make myself plain.

I am not saying I agree with the vote btw. Or whether or not this will bring an end to anything or make things worse.

Iam, I have a realistic view of humanity , all I am saying is do not complain about photographs of children killed and maimed by bombs when one voted to bomb and maim . If they believe their vote was for the greater good accept there will be innocent people killed . No way should these MP's be threatened but complaining that a photograph of a dead child was upsetting them when they supported killing of innocent people?

Anniebach - what a view of humanity you have, to believe politicians who voted for bombing did so with no regard for the deaths that will follow and to sincerely believe any information we're given will be all lies.

I repeat, I did not support the bombing but I watched most of the parliamentary debate and felt the majority of speakers spoke from an informed and compassionate position. I may not have agreed with them but I did feel MP's were taking their role very seriously, as of course they should do.

Are you suggesting Hilary Benn lied, or changed his view from no to yes in order to further his political career. Have you no faith in your fellow humans. Most of us do our best, we muddle through trying to do no harm and to help others where we can.

whitewave, I too want to see these happenings, they will not, all lies