What ideas are there instead of bombing?

But it does mention stopping the financing of terrorism. A good idea to stop selling weapons from here, then. Why didn't we think of that?

Or even

It talks about intensifying efforts, it doesn't say what those efforts should be. You cannot assume it means I tensive bombing.

How have those selective strikes helped so far?

(grin)

Wellroses I know of at least one Labour Party member who is not very left wing. As for being pacifist, I admit I would balk at throwing people I disagreed with out of aeroplanes!

We are already doing selective strikes in Iraq, against ISIS , or somehow, does this not count?

Wheniwasyourage

There was a United Nations resolution passed last week.

'ISIS CONSTITUTES A GLOBAL AND UNPRECIDENTED THREAT TO INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND SECURITY AND EXPRESSES THE COUNCILS DETERMINATION TO COMBAT "BY AL MEANS' THIS UNPRECIDENTED THREAT'

'THE RESOLUTION CALLS 'ON ALL' UNITED NATION STATES TO 'INTENSIFY' THEIR
EFFORTS TO STEM THE FLOW. OF FOREIGN TERRORISTS FIGHTING IN IRAQ AND SYRIA AND TO PREVENT AND SUPPRESS THE FINANCING OF TERRORISM'

Oh he may be in the minority in his view ( although I am not sure) but that doesn't mean he is wrong. I am absolutely convinced now ( It has taken me a lot of thought to reach this conclusion) that bombing is not and has never been the answer. Those who are advocating bombing must be utterly sure of the rightness of their decision. How otherwise can they live with the knowledge of the deaths they will be causing?

We need to be influencing to stop the financial support/ arms sales that keep Daesh going, be providing safe havens and safe air space for the ordinary people of these strife ridden countries to get to places of safety. That is the way to undermine terrorists. Bombing and killing only perpetuates the situation and increases the numbers angry people, ripe for persuasion by Daesh, on the ground.

I believe Corbyn does say what he believes, the problem is, that he is out of touch with most of the country. he is only in touch with Labour Party Members who are very left wing and pacifist, and he is totally unsuited to be any kind of leader. great at meetings, committees, debates etc.but that is all,
More of a loser than a leader.

rosesarered, at least Jeremy Corbyn is a politician with the courage to say what he believes.

These barbaric people are using civilians as human shields and so I have serious doubts about bombing as a way to deal with them. I want to see something from the UN (remember the UN Resolution we never had before we bombed Iraq?) and a bit more international support for the Kurds, who seem to be the only ones making any progress against IS. Bombing is not, in spite of what we are told, accurate or discriminatory, and I think that it would only lead to more recruits for the barbarism.

Perhaps Jeremy Corbyn could be flown over the region, and dropped( with or without parachute.)

Two very good and well thought out posts from POGS.
there is no other recourse but action ( as well as trying to cut off arms and cash) to wipe out ISIS, but some people would prefer that other countries do it for us! We are not talking, as one poster on here says, about bombing hell out of them, this is not the Blitz, times have changed and bombs, missiles,are more selective, in some cases ( drones) extremely selective.
there is, frankly, no alternative as these barbaric people do not listen, discuss or debate, unless it's about the best way to behead or crucify.

How long a bath do you think whitewave has, POGS?

At the same time there were probably lots of people being killed by US drones, Russian bombs, and any other weapons sold to despots by the UK arms trade.

I don't agree with bombing, too many innocent people will be hurt. I worked last week with a young lass who wore a burka, I was scared at first but I got to know her a bit and found out she was young and enthusiastic about her career and loving towards her family. We cant bomb innocent people. How would Britain react if they got planes and bombed us, it is bad enough what already has been done in france but imagine wholesale bombing of british cities. I think that is what it will escalate to if this is not stopped.

There will always be stupid people on both sides, if using the word sides is the right one.

There has been the case of the muslim family who converted to Christianity and have been viciously attacked.

I have not heard one UK parliamentarian, read one main stream paper, heard one UK t.v station who has not tried to, gone out of their way to impress on their listener reader to make the point that IS is an extreme Muslim ideology that has no connect, nothing, Nada, zilch to do with the millions of Muslims who interpret the Quaran in a peaceful manner. Indeed there is repeated reference to the fact IS is killing those of the Muslim faith in greater numbers.

I think there is a lot of trouble 'caused ' by some who insist that there is a constant xenophobic, negative , anti Muslim rant by the media in particular. They are as bad as the idiots who don't understand the difference between IS and the Muslim faith in general but I am not of the belief that is the majority of the UK public, quite the opposite. I believe we are more sensible than to listen to either group.

Poppy Begum in today's Telegraph www.Telegraph.co.uk/comment writes with passion, knowledge, experience and sound common sense when she says

Isil wants to split the world into two camps – “us versus them – and engender the kind of hatred that resulted in the vicious verbal attack on a young British Muslim woman, Ruhi Rehman, last week on the Metro in Newcastle
After Paris, Isil must have known hate crimes against Muslims would increase; it’s what they were counting on – the rejection and vilification of Muslims. If people turn on each other now, that will be a victory for them. More than ever, we need to stick together, which is why I was so heartened to hear how the passengers on that Newcastle train came to Ruhi’s rescue. That, for me, demonstrates British values of liberty and tolerance at their best. Surely that ideology is our best defence against terror

The problem is Whitewave while you were wallowing in your bath thinking of the refugees , which is admirable, there were hundreds of children being slaughtered, raped , sold into prostitution and slavery and made orphans at the same time in Islamic State fighter held territory. They are barbaric. They / IS do not want a return of the refugees you talk about , they want to sieze their homeland to create a caliphate. They are destroying their homes, their culture, they are slaughtering, mutilating their way across any country they can. It isn't the UN forces , coalition who ever that will stop the return of the refugee given the right time for them to so (if ever ) to his/her home, it is IS who would only allow them back if they choose to follow their barbaric, medevial translation of Sharia Law.

As for arms that too is an admirable thought but unless the world disarms as a whole then we must have the capability to fight like with like. If I am facing a man with a gun and I have only a pen knife and he wants me dead, then dead I will be. We can probably all agree that the finances and oil supply has to be cut off. Some speak as though this is not happening, it is but by the unpalatable use of bombing oil refineries held by IS in Iraq and Syria. Do you think we could just send in the equivalent of Blaster Bates and the jobs done.

As for dialogue with IS please tell me who , where and how that will work. Would the feted Jeremy Corbyn like to go to Raqqa and try his hand, I'll pay for his ticket after all he says that will work so prove it. IS does not have a desire for talking . Suppose it does how many will be dead or in some cases living in hell whilst 'talking' is going on with possibly not a cat in hells chance of changing their ideological driven desire for world domination under their Sharia Law. The answer would be thousands would be slaughtered, maimed or God knows what , too horrible to think about.

Do we keep turning our back for ever . Do we keep standing by whilst they anhialate religion after religion. Do we not stand up to their recruitment, brain washing , creation of cells in this country that are set to do the same here , we know they have tried several attacks in this country luck and security is only going to work for so long.

The first attack will be blamed on Cameron but what if the Arndale Center / Manchester had been attacked, we are not in Syria so the Syrian case is flawed with regard to attacks on home soil.

I think we could go round in circles with this discussion. What we do all agree is that the M.E is in a dire situation, but how to resolve it?! Who has the crystal ball?!!

whitewave, we musn't give them shelter, the foreign secretary said they would affect our standard of living, we can't cope with that , can we!

Cameron said they are better off in camps in Syria , he didn't say - tough if we blow them up , but it's what he should have said , that would be too honest thoigh

The refugee children are in Calais and I am on the South Coast so we are experiencing the same weather.

The men who attacked Paris were not from Syria

What do those grans who advocate bombing suggest happens to the subsequent refugees.

I was wallowing in the bath yesterday evening listening to the wind and rain, thinking how cosy the house is and my thoughts turned to a photo today in the paper of three little refugees peeping out from their ramshackled tent and I wondered how they were faring.

Nigglynellie, you are saying we should keep selling arms because if we don't another country will ?