Labour MP's harassment

thatbags, please don't put Trump in the same class as Blair and Cameron ,

Eloethan
How exactly do you judge "persons of merit"?
I judge writers on their ability to express their views and ideas clearly.
Isn't it possible that the writers we consider to have merit are those whose views roughly coincide with our own? I think to some degree we're all guilty of that.
Please don't make assumptions about who or what I read.
But surely an argument should be judged by its coherence rather than by the name of the person who has written it?
Exactly my point.
If you disagree with the points made and can back up your position, why not do so instead of writing off someone because you have never heard of them.
I didn't write Chris Floyd off because I'd never heard of him. I didn't persevere with reading his blog because I haven't got time for impenetrable waffle, as Bags so aptly described it.

Your ripostes are really good entertainment, ab.

thatbags, I thought Jane was joking when she referred to bags planet!

Rosesarered said Ghandi was suppose to have causes riots and deaths , it was this nonsense which caused me to speak of rewriting the history of India not your post , I did acknowledge your post re nobody's perfect, I referred to it being a quote from a rather old but amusing American comedy film.

Yes your new word for the day is very nice, I have heard others share your hobby

It doesn't actually matter who Chris Floyd is. What he says/blogs is what's important. And if it's impenetrable waffle, one judges what he says (see what I did there?) accordingly without ever having to make a judgment about the man or who/what he is or was.

Can anyone explain why Blairites, whoever they are, should stop criticising Corbyn? Would those who wish for this agree also to stop criticising Blair, Cameron, Trump, etc, etc, etc.

Somehow I don't think they would. And quite right too. Everyone is criticisable. No exceptions.

"Even the history of India's fight for freedom from the British raj has been rewritten on this forum"

Gosh, some people don't 'alf hyperbolate (read as exaggerate if you don't like my new word ). Saying Gandhi wasn't perfect/had faults (like the rest of us, like Corbyn and Blair, even!) is hardly rewriting history.

StW may have been a good thing once. I don't think it is now.

He's also worked in military intelligence and logistics for the US, so I presume he knows a bit about what's happening in the Middle East.

Ana Earlier on in the thread you said "really scraping the barrel now durhamjen. Chris Floyd."

I asked you what it was in the article that you found objectionable or untrue and there was no response. Of course, as you say, you can choose not to read the article but then why do you feel qualified to comment on it?

janeainsworth How exactly do you judge "persons of merit"? Isn't it possible that the writers we consider to have merit are those whose views roughly coincide with our own? I think to some degree we're all guilty of that. But surely an argument should be judged by its coherence rather than by the name of the person who has written it? If you disagree with the points made and can back up your position, why not do so instead of writing off someone because you have never heard of them.

I'd never heard of Chris Floyd either but have now done some research. He is described as an "award winning American journalist" who has been a writer and editor for more than 25 years, working in the US, Britain and Russia for various newspapers, magazines, the US government and Oxford University. So not such a novice then.

Sorry Jen no link - just think we have a statue in Westminster dedicated to a man who caused riots and a lot of deaths - allegedly , and the queen paid a visit to the site where the British army mowed down unharmed people, their chap in charge was condemned for ordering the massacre - later , bet she wouldn't have if someone had told her it was Ghandi's fault. Must have been sooooo difficult for the peacemaker Cameron paying tribute at the memorial statue of Ghandi just a few weeks ago

Sorry, can't reach that high, jane.

I must be unusually dense, I think.
A man writes a blog on which he says: “Paris reaps whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in Middle East, after Isis killed 130 people in the French capital.” (That's from the Guardian)
Stop the War coalition endorse this view by re publishing it. It's irrelevant whether or not they have his permission.
Caroline Lucas resigns from Stop the War because she can't support this position.
dj you conclude from this that 'Blairites will stop at nothing to discredit Corbyn'.
Sorry?? Which Blairites would these be exactly?
Should you feel like explaining for the benefit of me and I'm sure other Gransnetters who are equally mystified, I'll be on Bags's planet.

Hello, durhamjen.

Sorry, am I not allowed to comment when you and ab are having a private conversation?

Hello again, Ana.

Er, that's what she said.

I was looking for a blue link there, Annie. Then I realised you meant on this forum!

Even the history of India's fight for freedom from the British raj has been rewritten on this forum

Nobody's perfect - Jack Lemon in Some Like It Hot

Yes, but you do not know, either, do you, Ana?

Labour party people are asking Corbyn to leave the Stop the War Coalition, to distance himself from it like Caroline Lucas has done, because of an article on their website saying that France had reaped the whirlwind of western support for bombing in the middle east.

The link I gave was to the man who wrote that article. He was not a member, and had not been asked if they could use his article. That was what he was writing about, and giving updates about.

Blairites will stop at nothing to discredit Corbyn. They are the ones asking him to leave a group he helped to form after the Iraq war was started.

The connection was not between drone operators and harassment of Labour MPs, jane, but between two articles that you would not read because you had not heard of their authors.

Still no answer to your question, jane. One has to wonder whether the writer is of no consequence as long as the message agrees with durhamjen's own opinions.

I 'singled out' LP members and supporters, as you put it, dj, because I think it matters more when they express dissatisfaction with their leader than when Tories sneer at the leader of the Opposition. The same would apply if it were the Tory Party we were talking about.

Also, I thought the article was about stuff that happened at the Labour Party Conference. Do Tories go to LP conf?

It doesn't surprise me when Tories find fault with Labour politicians.

I'll leave it there. I think I might be on a different planet from the one you inhabit.

Thank you, dj.
I'm afraid the connection between drone operators dehumanising people and harassment of Labour MPs escapes me.

This is a blog, I assume not by a sixth former, but not a person with a reputation such as you would read, jane. Anyone can write a blog on wordpress.

beastrabban.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/drone-operators-called-children-fun-sized-terrorists/

It's about drone operators, and how they dehumanise people to make their job seem easier.

I'm not doubting that some of them can, dj
All I'm saying is that just because someone writes something, other people should necessarily deem what they have written as worthy of attention.
You certainly haven't produced any cogent reasons why I should bother to read him - but then I do wonder whether you bother to read other people's posts, since you rarely answer even genuine questions.